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    Enable could easily end up one of the greats.

    She improved on her Chester run by about 10lbs and hacked up by 5 lengths in the Oaks, Then for good measure she took on the Irish on their home ground and gave them a 5 1/2 length hiding

    Her defeat of Ulysses (now 127) by 4 easy length was nothing short of spectacular when you consider he took the scalps of both Barney Roy before and Churchill after in the Eclipse and the Juddmonte

    Then they gave her what was nothing more than a racecourse gallop which she wan yet again without turning a hair.

    I don't want to labour on the point but if she's a 120 filly then I agree with Aragorn they want to start at Frankel and know 12 lbs off every horse who ever graced the turf.

    Without hesitation I would have her higher than her 127 OR at around 130 soon to be 133 up there with the likes of Zarkava
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    Ulysees' optimum trip is 10f and he wasn't at his best in the KG and wasn't that far ahead of Idaho - who wouldn't be anywhere near as good as BR or Churchill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    Enable could easily end up one of the greats.

    She improved on her Chester run by about 10lbs and hacked up by 5 lengths in the Oaks, Then for good measure she took on the Irish on their home ground and gave them a 5 1/2 length hiding

    Her defeat of Ulysses (now 127) by 4 easy length was nothing short of spectacular when you consider he took the scalps of both Barney Roy before and Churchill after in the Eclipse and the Juddmonte

    Then they gave her what was nothing more than a racecourse gallop which she wan yet again without turning a hair.

    I don't want to labour on the point but if she's a 120 filly then I agree with Aragorn they want to start at Frankel and know 12 lbs off every horse who ever graced the turf.

    Without hesitation I would have her higher than her 127 OR at around 130 soon to be 133 up there with the likes of Zarkava

    great reading of the formbook
    the fillie will end in 135
    Ulysses and Highland Reel had his ideal condtions in the KG
    and Coronet is a 120 fillie
    Rhodendron stayed in the oaks

    impossible to argue with that

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    The Arc's history is littered with short priced fillies/mares getting turned over. I'll be looking elsewhere.
    Alba Gu Brath!

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    That's a bit like saying we best oppose the fav in the supreme novices because they always get beatenIf not for 5 of the last 6 renewals going to fillies I doubt she'd even be going off favourite personally, Judge her on her merits.

    PS: I won't be backing her

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    I think the only apt comparison are the 3yo fillies that won the race. Of those Zarkava and Treve had your usual French break in the middle of the season as did Danedream really, with only one run in July and August.

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    Winter would certainly add to the mix.
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    on a scale of 1 to 10, how intriguing do you flatties make this years renewal
    Some people say hes the best since Arkle and thats certainly true when you look at what hes done

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    If last year's was an 8 this would be maybe a 6.5 - 7 if Cracksman lines up

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    not sure i'd give last years an 8

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    Quote Originally Posted by granger View Post
    on a scale of 1 to 10, how intriguing do you flatties make this years renewal
    4 maybe, Its not doing much for me I'll be honest and our other two premier 1m 4f races The Derby and The King George and QE stakes are always my favourite races of the season.

    I'm more looking forward to the Ayr Gold Cup this weekend I'd say

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesRB View Post
    not sure i'd give last years an 8
    Found against Postponed and the Japanese horse, plus the difference of the setting.

    My excitement level is also partly about the other races. It's a very good card nowadays.

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    If we get Ulysses, Winter and Cracksman also lining up then that's plenty to like, even if you could question the trip with some mentioned.
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    very good race
    as always

    looks lke a good field
    best race of the season by far

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    The Arc is the best flat race in Europe bar none.

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    This year though it is all about one horse.
    No three year old colt has cut mustard over this trip and Cracksman has yet to win a Group 1.
    The older brigade is thin enough at 125 plus so far.
    Should anything other that Enable win it will be considered a poor enough Arc methinks.
    My only doubt about her is the fact that she was pulling her way around the paddock at York with two handlers and that was not her at The Curragh what ever about her previous runs so the question is her season behind her ?
    Of Last year's placed horses Highland reel needs quick ground to run his race and Order Of St George is no better this year than last .
    Is the Arc the same race away from Longchamp ?
    For all that it is, as Art says, the best flat race in Europe but this year might fall a little flat.
    Good ground or better a must for the race.

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    Enable looks a penalty kick to me, but that is reflected in her price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgt View Post
    Is the Arc the same race away from Longchamp ?
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    I think that's key. Many people opposing Enable are doing so on the basis the Arc has a history of short priced favorites getting turned over but as everybody knows, a bad draw/passage at Longchamp and chances can be lost in the blink of an eye.

    Chantilly not so much and anything above even money is pretty generous IMHO. That said I may just watch her crown a great season and look for an e/w angle in the race.
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    As far as probabilities go, I think Enable has the best chance and is definitely a worthy favourite, but the race has always been tough to win if you've been on the go all summer and some each way betting at longer odds is the order of the day.
    Alba Gu Brath!

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    No Cracksman.

    Very disappointing.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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