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    Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe

    I couldn't see a thread for this. Anyone got a position or taking a view? With or against the filly?

    Just watched Cracksman win the Prix Niel easily. Be annoying if they don't let him take his chance.

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    Would love to see Cracksman have a go at Enable. Disappointing if he's not allowed to take his chance. A baffling one aswell.

    The filly is class.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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    Completely against. Three races, two of them quite hard in soft ground in under six weeks - then a break of 6 weeks before the Arc. Can't see Enable being at her peak. I have bits and pices at big prices on Zarak, Seventh Heaven and Brametot.

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    Enable has a similar profile going into the race as the same stable's Taghrooda; who didn't make too bad a fist of the Arc.
    Imo, Cracksman won't go as they know he wouldn't beat her.

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    Similar profiles......you trying to be funny?....Taghrooda was damn ordinary in comparison to Enable who like Frankel would have picked up her daddy and carried him.

    She is already odds on to win the richest prize in Europe and not even AOB can muster up a challenger worth talking about.

    The French have nothing AOB will send something but it's too far for Winter.

    In what is usually a competitive race I can't see what can possible get her off the bridle
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    Quote Originally Posted by reet hard View Post
    Enable has a similar profile going into the race as the same stable's Taghrooda; who didn't make too bad a fist of the Arc.
    Imo, Cracksman won't go as they know he wouldn't beat her.

    Taghrooda's runs at Ascot and York weren't on soft ground and she didn't go to the Curragh. I'd also argue her run at Longchamp, fine though it was, still wasn't her best form.

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    I'd love to know what was her best form..........Tapestry beat her and never won another race, the entire Oaks field after the race won like 1 race between them..........She beat Telescope in the King George who scraped home in a listed race after that.........was a crap year and she simply wasn't within a stone of Enable

    Oppenheimer is nut though not running Cracksman............We just say Winter get turned over by her stable companion..........can't win if you stay at home
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    I.She beat Telescope in the King George who scraped home in a listed race after that.........was a crap year and she simply wasn't within a stone of Enable
    Telescope's run after the KG was a length further behind Australia in the Juddmonte than he was at Ascot. So why don't we judge the horse on those runs rather than his worse one. Enable is a better filly than Taghrooda but not by a lot, maybe 4lbs.

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    Taghroodas win in the king george was better form tahn any of enables wins this year.

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    Incorrect.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    Telescope's run after the KG was a length further behind Australia in the Juddmonte than he was at Ascot. So why don't we judge the horse on those runs rather than his worse one. Enable is a better filly than Taghrooda but not by a lot, maybe 4lbs.
    Maybe because Australia never ran in the King George.... Don't worry....Doc gave me some alzheimer's pills I can let you have...they're great and help you remember to forget things,
    Last edited by Tanlic; 12th September 2017 at 3:42 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunybay View Post
    Taghroodas win in the king george was better form tahn any of enables wins this year.
    Really..............how about you back that statement up with some hard facts

    Taghrooda ran off 113 in the King George and they put her up to 125. Then in her very next race she ran to 112.. Telescope IMO was rated way too high to start with the horse had more second prizes than a punch drunk 1 armed boxer

    In the Arc she ran to ran to 119 at most.Enable has won everything going and is already rated 127 so where you are coming from?
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    I compile my own ratings

    Enable is the most overrated horse since Gleneagles

    she is a 120 fillie and in my book is unlikely to run to form next month, long hard season

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunybay View Post
    I compile my own ratings

    Enable is the most overrated horse since Gleneagles

    she is a 120 fillie and in my book is unlikely to run to form next month, long hard season
    But she'd still be good enough to rule Cracksman out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    Maybe because Australia never ran in the King George.... Don't worry....Doc gave me some alzheimer's pills I can let you have...they're great and help you remember to forget things,
    Tanlic
    dont need the pills

    the only thing I need to remember is my username and login to check the figures

    the official ratings firms have lost the plot long time ago

    just to show a recent example
    rpr and timeform have enable higher than harry angel
    Last edited by sunybay; 12th September 2017 at 11:43 AM.

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    That was aimed at me Suny. What I meant was Telescope was a length further behind the winner in the Juddmonte than he was at Ascot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunybay View Post
    I compile my own ratings

    Enable is the most overrated horse since Gleneagles

    she is a 120 fillie and in my book is unlikely to run to form next month, long hard season

    Strong opinion from a man with a proven track record-love it.

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    I dont do ratings but I've seen this filly in the flesh and she will be improving if anything - Ratings won't tell you that nor will a tv camera. I was surprised by how much of physical specimen she is. And if she is improving, she'll pick them up and carry them provided Frankie gets a decent sit in the race.

    If she's only worth a rating of 120 we need to downgrade an awful lot of horses. I wouldnt back her at the odds now but i piled in hard for the KG and that made my punting year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunybay View Post
    Tanlic
    dont need the pills

    the only thing I need to remember is my username and login to check the figures

    the official ratings firms have lost the plot long time ago

    just to show a recent example
    rpr and timeform have enable higher than harry angel
    Are you sure? Trust me mate when you start answering the wrong posts the next step is you end up on a knitting forum in error
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