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    If this is a public manifestation can you imagine what goes on in the yards, out of the range of cameras and with horsemen a little more agricultural than Davy Russell?
    "And still they gazed and still the wonder grew. That one small head could carry all he knew.

    And that small head knew that Impaire Et Passe would win the Champion Hurdle."

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    Seen it first hand, AC, not pretty.

    As an aside I used to work in a yard that trained Arabians and there was a 3-y-o colt, known as 'Albert' who had the annoying habit of giving me a little nip just below the rib cage (no malice involved) it happened every time I went in his box, so I thought I would give him a surprise, as he was about to nip I "put the head in", not a good idea and it it didn't stop him giving me the toothy kiss either.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    "One end bites, the other end shites, and the bit in the middle is uncomfortable"

    "For fu*ck's sake, Scudamore, you useless cu*nt"

    "C'mon son"

    "Good hoss....good hoss"

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    As someone who has never ridden a horse in my life, could someone please explain what people are referring to when they describe jockey x as "a horseman/woman" or "a good horseman/woman".

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    The term would be used or aimed more at NH racing than the flat. IMVHO

    John Francome was a classic example of a good horseman. always in the right place at the right time and he'd present his horse at a fence spot on more often than not. If he had a weakness it was his lack of power in a finish


    AP I would describe as a brilliant jockey as in many many races his lack of finesse would find him in the wrong place at the wrong time but somehow still managed to win races no other jockey could have.

    If you could get Francome to ride em to the last then switch to AP Odin wouldn't have beat them on Pegasus
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    Quote Originally Posted by littlelad View Post
    As someone who has never ridden a horse in my life, could someone please explain what people are referring to when they describe jockey x as "a horseman/woman" or "a good horseman/woman".

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    "And still they gazed and still the wonder grew. That one small head could carry all he knew.

    And that small head knew that Impaire Et Passe would win the Champion Hurdle."

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    Davy Russell will face a Turf Club hearing on Saturday.

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    The more I see it the more I'm convinced that he doesn't make bone on bone contact because neither of them shows any kind of reaction. Having said that, he should still get a few days off for stupidity (or bringing the sport into disrepute as the catch all is known).
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    What Tanlic describes is good jockeyship. That's not automatically the same as being a good horseman, which is a phrase used in all spheres of equestrianism not just racing. It tends to mean someone who grew up around horses, who understands how they behave, who can handle tricky horses others might struggle with, someone with good hands and who is quietly confident even when a horse is acting up.

    Hitting a horse in the head out of frustration would not usually be synonymous with being a good horseman.

    I don't believe Russell should be strung up or banned for life; however equally I find the minimising going on because he's a decent jockey and gives good craic sickening. He did a stupid and ugly thing that a) is not an acceptable way to discipline an animal; b) sets a bad example to aspiring young jockeys and c) is a gift to the anti-racing lobby. The Turf Club need to send out a message that this sort of behaviour is not tolerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruella View Post
    What Tanlic describes is good jockeyship. That's not automatically the same as being a good horseman, which is a phrase used in all spheres of equestrianism not just racing. It tends to mean someone who grew up around horses, who understands how they behave, who can handle tricky horses others might struggle with, someone with good hands and who is quietly confident even when a horse is acting up.

    Hitting a horse in the head out of frustration would not usually be synonymous with being a good horseman.

    I don't believe Russell should be strung up or banned for life; however equally I find the minimising going on because he's a decent jockey and gives good craic sickening. He did a stupid and ugly thing that a) is not an acceptable way to discipline an animal; b) sets a bad example to aspiring young jockeys and c) is a gift to the anti-racing lobby. The Turf Club need to send out a message that this sort of behaviour is not tolerated.
    No I wasn't talking about Jockeyship I was talking about jockeys who were/are good horsemen. Francome was a member of the British junior team that won the European Championship before he came into racing and was a brilliant horseman.
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    As for Davy Russell a good decision for racing. Was a mountain made out of a molehill although it may not have looked that way to the layman, it's best swept under the carpet and quickly forgotten IMVHO
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    Year before last I took a 16 year old aspiring future jump jockey to the Lambourne Open Day; he actually didn't know that much about racing, but of course knew who AP was. McCoy and Francome were taking part in the usual schooling demonstration. He had never heard of Francome. I told him to watch him and not look at McCoy. Even in that kind of situation the difference was so clear to see. Francome on a horse is pure art.

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    Such is his sense of humour he would probably reply to you saying "Yes an Old masterpiece"
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    I think I'm pretty much in line with what Kevin Blake says:
    http://www.attheraces.com/blogs/kevin-blake
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    I've been watching early 80's races whilst bored at work recently. Lester Piggott was a ******* animal.
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    He was that Simmo and whats more he wouldn't fook up like the flat jockeys of today do.

    It get wore everday at least a couple of jockeys make jamie Spencer look like an angel

    They hold them up out the back and get so far behind Nijinsky himself couldn't win from where they are.
    Lester once said why hold a horse 20 lengths behind the leaders if you can hold him up 5 lengths behind leaders

    It fell on a lot of today's jockey's deaf ears
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    I slapped my dog once - it was the making of her
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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