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    Some people say heís the best since Arkle and thatís certainly true when you look at what heís done

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    The BHA has announced a raft of changes to the novice chase programme which will come into effect on October 1.

    Novice chases have long been regarded as jumps racing's most troubled division, and many attempts have been made at increasing field sizes and betting revenue while at the same time providing a fair and appealing programme for connections of horses of widely differing levels of ability.
    Among the latest changes will be a trial which will exempt horses finishing in close proximity to higher-rated winners in weight-for-age novice chases from having their ratings raised in all but the top races, prompted by a preconception that is refuted by handicappers but has compromised novice chase field sizes for years.
    Also announced is the introduction of a new £100,000 novice handicap chase final in the spring and the raising of the ratings band from 0-140 to 0-145 for the Cheltenham Festival race run this year as the Close Brothers Novices' Handicap Chase in a bid to encourage the running of novices more frequently in an effort to attain the necessary higher rating.


    There will also be a significant increase in the number of weight-for-age novices, at the expense of novice handicaps, and six races are being introduced this autumn confined to horses who have won no more than one hurdle.
    Explaining the background to the latest changes, BHA head of racing Paul Johnson said: "In order to safeguard the future of the category action must be taken to ensure that these races provide a competitive and compelling spectacle on a more consistent basis and that there is an incentive for horses to be sent over the larger obstacles.
    "We have made several alterations to the programme in recent years. While these changes have contributed to marginal improvements in the number of horses going novice chasing, average field sizes, and the number of races attracting eight or more runners, it was agreed that more needs to be done.
    "Continued focus and improvement of this part of the programme is viewed as necessary for the long-term health of the category and the sport."


    KEY RECOMMENDATIONS

    • No handicap rating increase in weight-for-age novice chases of Class 2 and below, other than for the winner. This will apply only to horses who have already made four appearances over obstacles (hurdles or fences) and be introduced on a trial basis.
    • An increase of up to 25% in the current programme of 200 weight-for-age novices, to be balanced by a decrease in number of novicesí handicaps.
    • Programming of six confined races during the autumn for horses which have not won more than one race over hurdles, a proposal aimed at providing a pathway for later-maturing chasing types.
    • Rating band for Cheltenham's Listed novicesí handicap chase to be increased to 0-145 (from 0-140). Increasing the banding was considered key to the success of the new system, with horses rated 146 and above more than capable of holding their own in Graded company.
    • A new £100,000 novicesí handicap chase series final to be programmed in the spring, supported by the BHA development fund. Horses must have run in at least two weight-for-age novicesí or beginnersí chases.

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    It's a start at least

    It has been my major gripe in racing that we only tend to see the best novices clash in March for one reason or another
    Some people say heís the best since Arkle and thatís certainly true when you look at what heís done

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    Agreed - it's a start, though still think the Programme below the top-level, would benefit from a much-more creative approach.

    Series/Finals is one way of going about it. Something along the lines of a localised/regional Series, valuable localised/regional Final, and a very-valuable National final (at, say, the Whitbread meeting), would be one way forward. In this world, a minimum number of Series runs, would be a stipulation for qualification for a local Final (e.g. must run in three Series races, winning at least one), and I'd probably be looking at a penalty-scheme, rather than handicap-marks, to determine weights in those Finals. And I'd have local/regional Silver Cup/Consolation Final races too, for horses who have met the minimum-run criteria, but didn't win one of the Series races.

    Obviously would need a lot of development, and I'm just throwing some ideas around, but it wouldn't take a great deal of hard-thinking, to pull something like this together, I reckon.
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    Race series would be nice. also maybe some incentive to run novices in either big handicaps or graded chases
    Some people say heís the best since Arkle and thatís certainly true when you look at what heís done

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    Yanworth goes chasing.

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    Pretty-much had to.......there isn't a race for him over smaller obstacles, apart from the Aintree Hurdle.
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    Certainly got the size and he's a very well balanced horse. At around 17/1 surely he's got to be a bet for the Arkle.

    I would imagine if he comes out early the minute he jumps a fence he'll be 6/1 favourite or thereabouts
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    He is a stayer. If he wins the Arkle, I'm either gone at this game or it's a rank year of novice chasers
    Some people say heís the best since Arkle and thatís certainly true when you look at what heís done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post

    I would imagine if he comes out early the minute he jumps a fence he'll be 6/1 favourite or thereabouts
    Yeah? And how well did being fav his last two Festival races work out?

    How many failed Champion Hurdle prospects turned out any good over fences? I can only think of Sizing Europe and he always skied his hurdles. Yanworth is another Identity Thief in the making. In fact he has even worse claims than that horse did given who trains him.

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    Sizing Europe was not a failed Champion Hurdle prospect, he was on the point of winning it in Katchit's year (2008) when he broke down.

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    Yanworth has no chance in an Arkle, and I doubt connections would be foolish enough to campaign him over the minimum. He has never, ever been a 2-miler (scrambling home in hopelessly poorly-contested G1s at the trip, doesn't count), and it's clear from Aintree - and long before - that he needs a test.

    More Of That rather than Identity Thief, is the template for this one, I reckon.

    PS. Horse I want to back for the Arkle isn't quoted anywhere. Asking BF to add him to exchange.
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    I find it hard to trust these juvenile horses Grassy

    Arkle might have him for toe but I do know you love having a huge price which you should get
    Some people say heís the best since Arkle and thatís certainly true when you look at what heís done

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    Much prefer them as novice-chasers, than second-season hurdlers, PJ........Defi being an exception of course.

    It's a physique thing with me. Just reckon he is built like a chaser, and will be seen to best-effect when sent over fences. He gives his running every time, and wasn't too far away from the top-level, as a juvenile hurdler.

    Hopefully I will get the big price you're predicting.
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    I reckon he is a stayer along with Baupame

    The 3 of them last year looked a fair batch of juveniles
    Some people say heís the best since Arkle and thatís certainly true when you look at what heís done

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    All Mega Fortune's runs have been at around the minimum trip, so not entirely convinced he is a stayer........more one that will want a true test at 2m. Referring back to physique, I just don't think he was whippet-like enough to beat the very-best at 2m over hurdles - fences will hopefully see him in a much better light.

    We'll see.
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    Navan back tomorrow, not a bad beginners.

    Flanagan loves Bel Ami and I reckon he'll take the beating
    Some people say heís the best since Arkle and thatís certainly true when you look at what heís done

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    Alto Esqua goes at Roscommon in 20 minutes, PJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Alto Esqua goes at Roscommon in 20 minutes, PJ.
    Not today, he must be getting fitted with that new handbrake
    Some people say heís the best since Arkle and thatís certainly true when you look at what heís done

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    Ballyandy v Fagan (plus Chitu) at Perth tomorrow & hoping Ballyandy is good enough getting 6lb+

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