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    Perhaps Appleby is getting the Suroor horses and doing a better job? Its a mystery to me how Bin Suroor has kept his job all this time; he's hardly delivered given the horse flesh he's had and yet he still feels confident enough to publicly denounce Ferguson....
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    Quivery was a winner for first season sire, VIOLENCE at Doncaster yesterday. VIOLENCE was a top class American dirt miler at two.

    Today's runners:

    Carlisle 2.00

    HAVANA GOLD - Our Man In Havana (6.4) Tom Dascombe 8/1
    LETHAL FORCE - Ray Purchase (2.5) Keith Dalgleish 25/1
    MAZAMEER - Rickyroadboy (28.3) Mark Walford 100/1
    HAVANA GOLD - Blue Havana (26.3) John Quinn 14/1

    Wetherby 2.15

    WORTHADD - Urban Soul (5.3) James Bethell 16/1

    Windsor 6.15

    RED JAZZ - Lastoneforthecraic (1.5) David Evans 80/1

    Windsor 6.45 (seller)

    MAZAMEER - The Kiddie Kid (7.6) M.Channon 22/1
    SOCIETY ROCK - Roses In June Stan Moore 20/1

    Nottingham 6.00

    SOCIETY ROCK - Deauville Society (5.3) Sir Mark Bt. 33/1
    FARHH - Tranquil Soul (7.5) D. Lanigan 22/1
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Two more trainer 2-y-o stats.

    CLIVE COX

    2014

    all 136-22-16.2-82.1
    first 34-3-8.8-30.9
    second 30-8-26.7-135.8
    third 29-4-13.8-69.0

    2015

    all 99-9-9.1-50.8
    first 31-3-9.7-83.8
    second 25-3-12.0-30.4
    third 22-2-9.1-61.4

    2016

    all 107-16-15.0-69.2
    first 37-2-5.4-36.5
    second 28-8-28.6-100.7
    third 19-2-10.5-39.5

    2017 (an excellent season to date)

    all 28-8-28.6-175.0
    first 16-6-37.5-196.9
    second 10-2-20.0- 175.0
    third 2-0-0-0

    LUCA CUMANI (a late starter with his 2-y-os)

    2014

    all 46-9-19.6-101.8
    first 20-1-5.0-130.0 (big price winner??)
    second 18-5-27.8-68.4
    third 6-3-50.0 141.7

    2015

    all 48-10-20.8-221.9
    first 20-2-10.0-255.0
    second 16-4-25.0-126.6
    third 9-2-22.2-61.1

    2016

    all 79-10-12.7-70.5
    first 30-2-6.7-76.4
    second 23-4-17.4- 49.0
    third 14-1-7.1-32.1

    2017

    no 2-y-os have run yet
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    ...........and there's more............Bell (for ED) and Burke.

    MICHAEL BELL

    2014

    all 96-14-14.6-66.1
    first 33-1-3.0-51.5
    second 26-6-23.1-84.5
    third 18-4-22.2-65.9

    2015

    all 97-10-10.3-134.5
    first 29-1-3.4-72.4
    second 24-3-12.5-227.8
    third 17-3-17.6-83.8

    2016

    all 91-9-9.9-47.1
    first 29-3-10.3-75.9
    second 26-2-7.7-34.6
    third 15-0-0-0

    2017

    all 15-3-20.0-92.2
    first 7-1-14.3-64.3
    second 4-2-50.0-233.3
    third 3-0-0-0

    KARL BURKE

    2014

    all 122-25-20.5-129.2
    first 28-3-10.7-37.1
    second 26-9-34.6-327.9
    third 24-6- 25.0-91.6

    2015

    all 150-19-12.7-70.6
    first 43-5-11.6-70.9
    second 40-7-17.5-76.2
    third 31-3-9.7-88.7

    2016

    all 178-19-10.7-98.2
    first 44-4-9.1-188.6
    second 42-6-14.3-94.8
    third 32-4-12.5-95.3

    2017

    all 35-6-17.1-238.4
    first 17-1-5.9-394.1
    second 14-4-28.6-74.6
    third 3-1-33.3-200.0
    Last edited by Colin Phillips; 19th June 2017 at 4:16 PM.
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    Thanks Colin. I'm no Bell fan, he's just accessible. Great work though.

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    Well he's trained a Derby winner and not that many trainers have done that but he certainly wouldn't be on my radar as a trainer to follow, ED.

    But because of your input and recently Flame's I thought it worth having a look at the numbers.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    I feel his 2yos are a touch better this year. The last 2 years have been pretty abysmal.

    I also feel his Oaks winner was probably his finest moment. She was pretty good the day she won her race as Midday was no slouch. As you say not many train a Derby winner and Motivator was pretty good, though probably only an average Derby winner.

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    A blank day for FSS winners yesterday. There's a veritable shedfull (ten) runners at Ascot today but with the shortest price available 16/1 there won't be many, if any, winners there.

    The full list:

    Ascot 3.05

    EPAULETTE - Chookie Dunedin (8.4) Keith Dalgleish 100/1
    DAWN APPROACH - Haddaf (1.2) James Tate 33/1
    HAVANA GOLD - Headway (14.3) W. Haggas
    LETHAL FORCE - Prince Of The Dark (23.2) C.Cox 18/1

    Ascot 5.35

    EPAULETTE - City Guest (27.3) G. Margarson 150/1
    SOCIETY ROCK - Corinthia Knight (26.1) Archie Watson 16/1
    SOCIETY ROCK - Dahik (6.3) Roger Varian 33/1
    DECLARATION OF WAR - Declarationoflove (23.3) Tom Clover 50/1
    LETHAL FORCE - Mokaatil (30.3) Owen Burrows 20/1
    HAVANA GOLD - Marchingontogether (29.4) Ivan Furtado 25/1

    Thirsk 2.10

    RED JAZZ - Bibbidbobbidiboo (4.4) Ann Duffield 10/1
    LETHAL FORCE - Javelin (2.3) R.Fahey 4/1
    SOCIETY ROCK - Poppy Walton (12.4) Ollie Pears 28/1
    SOCIETY ROCK - Sovereign Katie (24.3) Ollie Pears 25/1

    Brighton 5.40

    RED JAZZ - Shania Says (23.3) Tony Carroll 25/1

    Beverley 6.00

    HAVANA GOLD - Global Wealth (13.3) Ed Dunlop 6/4
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    No FSS winners yesterday, today's runners:

    Ascot 3.05

    HAVANA GOLD - Chica La Habana (4.4) Robert Cowell 16/1
    SOCIETY ROCK - Debutante's Ball (28.4) Stan Moore 100/1
    SOCIETY ROCK - Mother Of Dragons (26.4) Joe Tuite 125/1
    HAVANA GOLD - Treasuring (6.2) Ger Lyons 20/1

    Hamilton 2.45

    CITYSCAPE - Barney George (1.4) Iain Jardine 28/1

    Chelmsford

    LETHAL FORCE - Barbarianatthegate (20.2) Brian Meehan 22/1
    MAXIOS - Zabaletasswansong (18.2) Hannon 15/8
    MOST IMPROVED - Galloping Hogan (15.2) 20/1
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Headway ran a fine race yesterday. Havana Gold seems to be getting some nice 2yos. Headway should get further I'd think.

    Flame had singled him out as useful in his gallops column.

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    Wanna make money on 2yo?

    Never saw so many crap results involving 2 year olds in years. Yet another race, this time at hamilton where 2 horses being backed to the exclusion of all the others and none of the two of them raised a gallop.

    Not just the odd one but it's happened in loads of 2yo races where the first 2 fav run nowhere

    it would seem trainers don't have a clue what they are doing or what they have at home.

    Long may it continue laying them is very rewarding
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    And again in the 2nd race the first 2 favs beaten
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    And in the 2yo races at Ripon and Chelmsford,,,,,,,,,,,,unreal 4 out of 4 and 1st 2nd fav all beaten........................backers must be pulling their hair out
    Formely Fist of Fury

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    Yesterday was another winner-free day for FSS.

    Today's runners:

    Ascot 2.30

    SOCIETY ROCK - Gift In Time (29.4)James Given 40/1
    HAVANA GOLD - Havana Grey (12.2) Karl Burke 9/1
    SOCIETY ROCK - Rock Of Estonia (19.2) C. Hills 50/1

    Lindfield 6.20

    STYLE VENDOME - Star Of Vendome (13.3) H.Dunlop 16/1

    Leopardstown 6.30

    MOST IMPROVED - Fallen Forest (16.3) W.Durkan 25/1
    EPAULETTE - Luzum (12.3) D.Weld 6/1
    RED JAZZ - Tamboureen (22.3) Joseph O'Brien 11/1
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    This seems never ending 10/11 and 7/4 both stuffed in the 2yo at Chelmsford....5 favs and 5 2nd favs on the trot every one of them stuffed surely must end soon....pushing my luck laying them so taking the money and running :0)
    Formely Fist of Fury

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    Seems that FSS produce are having the same sort of results as Fist's Favourites - nowt yesterday.

    Today:

    Ascot 2.30

    DECLARATION OF WAR - Actress (12.1) A.O'Brien 33/1
    SOCIETY ROCK - Arum (25.4) E.Dunlop 66/1
    DABIRSIM - Different League (24.4) M.Palussiere 40/1
    RED JAZZ - Electric Landlady (8.3) Denis Coakley

    Bath 7.50

    RED JAZZ - Avenging Red (13.3) Adam West 16/1

    Newmarket 6.55

    SWISS SPIRIT - Rockies Spirit (10.3) Denis Quinn 50/1
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Yesterday, Different League was a surprise 20/1 winner for FSS DABIRSIM at Ascot.

    Today:

    Ascot 2.30

    WORTHADD - Bustam (16.4) John Quinn 80/1
    DECLARATION OF WAR - Match Maker (12.1) Simon Crisford 20/1

    Redcar 1.35

    RECKLESS ABANDON - Collaterall (1.3) James Tate 11/8
    EPAULETTE - Gabrial The Devil (7.4) D. O'Meara 40/1
    LETHAL FORCE - Gangland (29.3) R.Fahey 6/1
    SOCIETY ROCK - Shaheen (5.2) John Quinn 6/1
    LETHAL FORCE - Situation (4.4) Richard Guest 50/1

    Ayr 1.50

    PENNY'S PICNIC - Onesarnieshort (20.1) David O'Meara 9/2
    FINJAAN - Squirrelheed (19.4) Richard Guest 22/1

    Down Royal 2.00

    TOUGH AS NAILS - My Silver Nails (1.4) Michael Mulvany 12/1

    Lingfield 7.20

    EPAULETTE - Augenblick (23.3) Roger Varian 7/2

    Haydock 7.35

    FARHH - Iconic Sunset (19.3) James Tate 7/2
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Yesterday, Shaheen was a winner for FSS SOCIETY ROCK at Redcar.

    Latest table:

    STALLION WINNERS–RUNNERS WINS RUNS 2ND 3RD 4TH WIN PRIZE TOTAL PRIZE
    Society Rock 9-32 28% 11 73 10 7 9 £49,004 £70,628
    Red Jazz 6-26 23% 8 47 2 3 5 £26,523 £32,814
    Havana Gold 6-19 32% 7 40 5 4 4 £61,291 £105,032
    Swiss Spirit 5-17 29% 6 28 5 3 5 £20,765 £41,558
    Lethal Force 3-25 12% 3 51 8 6 6 £20,211 £57,861
    Declaration Of War 2-8 25% 2 18 2 4 2 £13,807 £31,438
    Epaulette 2-13 15% 2 22 0 3 3 £12,032 £17,523
    Violence 1-1 100% 1 1 0 0 0 £3,881 £3,881
    Dabirsim 1-3 33% 1 3 0 0 0 £45,368 £45,368
    Reckless Abandon 1-5 20% 1 8 1 0 1 £8,687 £11,785
    Mazameer 1-5 20% 1 17 2 1 0 £6,469 £9,795
    Al Kazeem 0-1 0% 0 1 0 1 0 £0 £1,283
    Intello 0-1 0% 0 1 0 0 1 £0 £289
    Penny“s Picnic 0-2 0% 0 2 1 1 0 £0 £1,828
    Planteur 0-1 0% 0 2 0 0 0 £0 £0
    Lord Kanaloa 0-1 0% 0 2 0 0 0 £0 £0
    Style Vendome 0-1 0% 0 2 0 0 0 £0 £0
    Worthadd 0-1 0% 0 3 1 1 0 £0 £3,024
    Farhh 0-2 0% 0 3 1 0 0 £0 £1,348
    Westlake 0-1 0% 0 3 1 0 0 £0 £1,348
    Camelot 0-3 0% 0 3 0 0 2 £0 £722
    Maxios 0-2 0% 0 5 2 1 1 £0 £3,031
    Cityscape 0-4 0% 0 6 0 2 0 £0 £1,732
    Finjaan 0-4 0% 0 8 0 3 0 £0 £1,395
    Most Improved 0-5 0% 0 8 0 1 1 £0 £758

    EDIT : I didn't notice there was a second page, only the one sire on it, the very disappointing (too date) DAWN APPROACH who has no wins from nine runs by his offspring.

    Today's runners: (I'm dropping the foaling date - it has less significance as the season proceeds, I think)

    Pontefract 2.00

    HAVANA GOLD - Madame Jo Jo Sarah Hollinshead 66/1
    EPAULETTE - Moremoneymoreparty Richard Guest 25/1

    Gowran 2.05

    DECLARATION OF WAR - War Hero P.J.Prendergast 10/1
    DAWN APPROACH - Swing Till Dawn Jim Bolger 9/1
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    Bolger must be crying into his Champagne.

    You are right it is disappointing

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    Due to an injury the unraced NOTHING BUT DREAMS (Frankel x Arc winner Danedream) has been retired.

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