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    2-y-os 2017

    With many thanks to Eleonora Duse and Archie I have cobbled together a list of new sires. I have posted some information and thoughts but as yet (I am hopeful) I have not found a market for this.

    Here they be:


    AIKEN Best RPR 116 (12-16f)



    Winner of the 12f. Listed Buckhounds Stakes on heavy at Ascot in 2012 and later that season ran second to Rite Of Passage in Group 3 Sipco Long Distance Cup, again, at Ascot on soft ground. It seems unlikely that this son of Selkirk, out of a Sadler’s Wells mare, will be producing too many precocious 2-y-os.


    ANIMAL KINGDOM 126 (8-10f)


    The winner of the 2011 Kentucky Derby and the 2013 Dubai World Cup ended his career with a disappointing effort in the 2013 Queen Anne at Ascot. Very classy animal who obviously enjoyed racing on artificial surfaces. Unlikely to have enough runners.


    CAMELOT 126 (12f)


    As you will probably know, he was the winner of the 2012 Derby (good to firm) by an easy 5 lengths from Main Sequence. This son of Montjeu (out of a Kingmambo mare) followed up by winning the Irish Derby by two lengths from Born To Sea on soft/heavy ground. Didn’t quite show the brilliance of Epsom again but did win a 10f. Group 3 as a 4-y-o. Plenty of class but perhaps not going to have enough fast youngsters.


    CITYSCAPE 126 (8-10f)


    Obtained his best RPR when winning the Group ! Dubai Duty Free by 4.25 lengths from Mutahadee on good ground at Meydan. This son of Selkirk (Distant View mare)managed to win races in four different countries and should have have plenty of 2-y-o winners.


    DAWN APPROACH 128 (8f)

    Unbeaten as a 2-y-o, the winner of the first race of the 2012 season. Unlikely to have stayed the Derby distance but gave himself no chance by pulling wildly for his head for the first half of the race before weakening and finishing tailed-off. Best rating achieved when second, beaten half a length, to Toronado in the Sussex Stakes. Previously he had beaten a short head in the St. James Palace at Royal Ascot. Must be one of the favourites in the first crop market.


    DECLARATION OF WAR 124 (8-10f)


    Very smart 8-10f. performer, winner of the 2013 Juddmonte International at York on good to firm ground. Went on to run third to Mucho Macho Man in the Breeders’ Cup Classic on the dirt at Santa Anita. A son of War Front out of a Rahy mare looks to have an excellent pedigree to produce high class 2-y-os but as he stands in the USA he’s unlikely to have enough runners to top the table.


    EPAULETTE 121 (6-7f)


    Closely related to last year’s very successful first season sire Helmet. Possibly put up his best performance when winning a 7f. Group 1 in Oz in 2013. Should have plenty of 2-y-o winners.


    FARHH 127 (8-10f)


    Had the misfortune to be born in the same year as Frankel otherwise he would have had two more Group 1s to his name. As it was he had to settle for the 2013 Lockinge and Champion Stakes. He managed to amass earnings of 1.3 million pounds and he never finished out of the first three in his races. Likely to have classy individuals but will they be precocious enough?


    FINJAAN 118 (7-8f)


    This son of Royal Applause (out of a Dayjur mare) probably put up his best performance when beaten two ‘noses’ to finish third in the 2008 Dewhurst. Didn’t really progress from there and his only subsequent win was the Group 2 Lennox Stakes at Goodwood as a 3-y-o. There is plenty of speed in the pedigree.


    HAVANA GOLD 113 (8-10f)


    A son of Teofilo who won the Group 3 Somerville Tattersall at two and the Group 1 Jean Prat over a mile as a 3-y-o.


    IMPERIAL MONARCH 118 (12f)


    Being by Galileo out of a Slip Anchor mare suggests that his offspring are unlikely to be speed machines.


    INTELLO 125 (10f)


    Beautifully bred, being by Galileo out of a Dunhill mare. He put up his best RPR when third to Treve in the 2013 Arc, beaten just over 5 lengths, the 12f. being a step too far for him. Previously a comfortable winner of the 10f. Prix Du Jockey Club. Should get classy youngsters but probably not precocious enough.


    LETHAL FORCE 124 (6f)


    Very speedy animal who won the 2013 July Cup in record time (admittedly on good to firm ground). The previous month he had won the Diamond Jubilee at Royal Ascot. An obvious candidate to produce plenty of early winners.


    MAZAMEER 108 (6f)


    Posted his best RPR in a 6f. Group 3 at Deauville. Didn’t progress as a 3-y-o and his only subsequent win was a Listed race at Maison-Lafitte.


    MOST IMPROVED 118 (8f)


    Smart 2-y-o who finished a close third to Parish Hall in the 2011 Dewhurst. Put up much his best effort as a 3-y-o when winning the St. James’ Palace on good to soft ground. Never showed that sort of form again even though he finished his career with Aiden O’Brien. Surprising that he found a place at Coolmore.


    RECITAL 118 (10f)


    Smart 2-y-o who took the 2010 Group 1 Criterium de Saint-Cloud by five lengths. Won the Group 2 Derrinstown Trial at three. Probably found the trip too far when sent off 5/1 for Pour Moi’s Derby, finishing five lengths back in sixth place. Went to race in the desert but showed nothing in five attempts.


    RED JAZZ 121 (7-8f)


    As a 3-y-o he ran a close third in the 2010 Group 1 Queen Elizabeth II, then went on to win a Group 3 at Newmarket. Never quite showed that form again but did win a 7f. Listed event at Haydock as a 5-y-o. Could have an outside chance of becoming the top first season sire.


    SHANTARAM 111 (12-14f)


    Stoutly bred winner of the 2010 Group 3 Bahrain Trophy at Newmarket. You would think his produce will improve with age and distance.




    SWISS SPIRIT 116 (5-6f)


    A very good Group 3 winning sprinter. He beat Kingsgate Native over 5f. on good to firm at Newbury subsequently finishing a neck second to that same horse in a Group 1 on firm ground at Haydock. Except for the fact that he didn’t seem to appreciate soft ground he looks to have all the attributes to make a successful sire of 2-y-os.


    TOUGH AS NAILS 110 (6f)


    Eight races as a 2-y-o and successful second time up over five on soft ground at Tipperary in April. Finished second to Lilbourne Lad in the 2011 running of the Railway Stakes over six at the Curragh. Didn’t show a lot in his two races as a 3-y-o. Bit of an unknown quantity.


    UNIVERSAL 117 (12f)


    Returned his best RPR when winning the Group 2 Princess of Wales on the July Course at Newmarket. Unplaced in his three runs as a 2-y-o and unlikely to produce early and speedy offspring.


    WORTHADD 123 (8-11f)


    Started his career in Italy and was third in his only race as a 2-y-o. Won six of his seven races in his second season, and on his first run in Britain ran second to Canford Cliffs in the 2011 Group 1 Lockinge. Was trained by Sir Mark Prescott Bt when winning a Group 3 in Germany. High class son of Dubawi out of a Rahy mare.



    If any one finds some prices do feel free to share.
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    Thanks Colin, I'm really looking forward to seeing Dawn Approach's nippers
    I wonder what price he sires the winner of the Coventry

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    ditto here Fonz.
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    Great writeup Colin, thanks. I don't know how many 2yos Tough As Nails has but as a 2yo winning son of Dark Angel out of a two-time juvenile winning daughter of a Middle Park and Flying Childers winner, he could be the dark horse in a contest decided on quantity not quality if he has the numbers.

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    Declaration of War stood his first year in Ireland, and has about 115 European bred 2yos, same as Dawn Approach. Camelot has about 150.

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    Thanks to Slim Chance we now have some prices.

    Paddy Power go:


    10/3 Dawn Approach

    10/3 Declaration Of War
    7/2 Epaulette
    9/2 Camelot
    8/1 Society Rock
    8/1 Lethal Force
    12/1 Intello
    14/1 Red Jazz
    14/1 Any Other Sire
    20/1 Havana Gold

    The first thing that I've noticed is that I didn't have Society Rock in my list.

    I'll have a look and edit.

    Thanks again Mr. Chance and P. Power.
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    Not able to edit original list.

    SOCIETY ROCK Best RPR 122 (6f)

    Won two of his four races as a 2-y-o. Looked to have improved quite a lot when taking the Listed Pavilion Stakes at Ascot when having his first run as a 3-y-o. Further improvement shown when finishing second to Starspangledbanner in the Golden Jubilee at Royal Ascot. As a 5-y-o he won the Betfred Sprint Cup on firm at Haydock. The following year he beat Lethal Force to take the Group 1 Duke Of York (at York) on good to soft. A very smart sprinter who wasn't ground dependent and is likely to have plenty of speedy youngsters.
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    Just came across these prices on Thoroughbred Daily News:

    Leading first season sire by number of individual winners.

    CAMELOT 9/4
    DAWN APPROACH 10/3
    DECLARATION OF WAR 11/2
    SOCIETY ROCK 7/1
    EPAULETTE 10/1
    LETHAL FORCE 11/1
    RED JAZZ 12/1
    HAVANA GOLD 14/1
    INTELLO 16/1
    SWISS SPIRIT 20/1
    MOST IMPROVED 20/1

    Win only betting opens on Racebets.com at 9 a.m. on March 3rd.
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    Society Rock for me. Just taken 7/1 Racebets to a more substantial stake than the poxy 30 PP let me have at 8s

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    Don't see how Camelot can win - any market with a 9/4 fav that can't win is a good one to get involved with.

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    Racebets link for anyone without an account

    http://media.racebets.com/redirect.php?bid=34&cid=472

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    Lethal Force and Epaulette against the field

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    The turf flat season gets underway at Naas this afternoon and not surprisingly the first race on the card, the 2.10, is for 2-y-os. The only first season sire with a runner is TOUGH AS NAILS who is represented by the grey filly My Silver Nails. She is out of a Verglas mare whose only previous runner didn't achieve a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Phillips View Post
    The turf flat season gets underway at Naas this afternoon and not surprisingly the first race on the card, the 2.10, is for 2-y-os. The only first season sire with a runner is TOUGH AS NAILS who is represented by the grey filly My Silver Nails. She is out of a Verglas mare whose only previous runner didn't achieve a lot.
    I would think this will be redemption for "gone skint" owner Norman Orminston.

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    You were spot on, Slim, nice one!
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    There's a 2-y-o maiden at Dundalk this evening 6.00. There are no first season sires represented and from my view of the breeding the race seems to be between Tuamhain and Fille Du Septembre. They are very close in the betting at the moment with the former at 2/1 and the Weld filly at 15/8. Fille Du Septembre is a half-sister to two useful animals and probably just shades it from the breeding angle but fellow forumite Slim Chance seems to have an in to the Kevin Prendergast yard and has heard a word. So how can I oppose the great man.
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    First 2-y-o turf racing in Britain today.

    Does anyone remember the Brocklesby being divided before?

    There are no first season sires represented in either race, again unusual.

    Difficult to work up any enthusiasm for either division and the races are probably best watched.

    If 'gun to head' very small each-way interests for Billiebrookedit in the 4.10 and even smaller for Cruel Clever Cat in the 4.45.

    Bill Turner "the Broclesby specialist" has Hellovaqueen in the second division.
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    Always tend to look at further entries. If a trainer has it entered in decent races, it's probably worth the entry fee and they think a bit of it. Also in second division, experience is everything! Fav has already had a run.
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    First season sire, SOCIETY ROCK has his first runner with Glen Valley in the Southwell 2.30. The filly is the first foal of a Red Clubs mare.

    Doesn't look to be the strongest of fields from a breeding point of view.
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