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    On the subject of Champions Day,last years 2nd in the sprint Twilight Son looks a bet at 8/1 with it being a race he's sure to be targeted at and where he's quite likely to get his ground.
    Quiet Reflection could be a danger at 14/1 but she's still to prove it against her elders, as for the others:
    Limato- Wont run on less than good ground
    Meccas Angel- 5f best trip, will probably go for the Abbaye
    Magical Memory- BC sprint bound,slight suspicion he's not quite good enough to win a Grp1.

    For a bit of interest I've had an Ante post haymaker treble on Growl (Ayr Gold Cup)
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    Quote Originally Posted by fonz View Post
    Quiet Reflection could be a danger at 14/1 but she's still to prove it against her elders, as for the others:
    Unproven? She ran a cracker in the July Cup on ground firmer than ideal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    Unproven? She ran a cracker in the July Cup on ground firmer than ideal
    Agreed, she did run well but Limato was in a different parish that day and she still finished a head behind the average Suedois, Apart from the winner there wasn't exactly much to write home about in the July Cup imo.

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    She'll be a different filly next week at Haydock.

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    It would be dangerous to assume Quiet Reflection isn't still improving. Looks a good e/w bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    I have three Cumani horses in my tracker, Bermondsey and Shakopee as well as Banksea, and they are all in that Newbury race.
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    First 2 named would definitely look more 10f horses, so hopefully it all works out as it should.
    Shakopee is in the Old Borough Cup this weekend. His pedigree suggests the trip won't be a problem.


    Not pleased for my Quiet Reflection bet to see a good weather forecast. Also not happy Limato is still in the race as my strategy in backing initially was that Candy had said the horse needs a break between races. You cannot believe anything these people say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fonz View Post
    Agreed, she did run well but Limato was in a different parish that day and she still finished a head behind the average Suedois, Apart from the winner there wasn't exactly much to write home about in the July Cup imo.
    Magical Memory didn't run his race there but, on his non-staying 4th in the Diamond Jubilee, looks good for the Haydock Sprint.

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    He does with the dry weather. Could be a nice recency bias type angle here, The Tin Man is a bit of a hype horse but his form doesn't add up and MM looks more of a threat to Quiet Reflection. Limato will be one to take on given his trainer's comments after the July Cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    Not pleased for my Quiet Reflection bet to see a good weather forecast. Also not happy Limato is still in the race as my strategy in backing initially was that Candy had said the horse needs a break between races. You cannot believe anything these people say.
    Limato has been declared but won't run if the word "soft" appears in the going description. Judging by the weather forecast just shown on the BBC News, there's plenty of rain going to hit Haydock tomorrow morning and I'll be surprised if Limato isn't withdrawn.

    Quiet Reflection will be well suited by the likely ground tomorrow as will Mitchum Swagger in the mile Group Three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    She'll be a different filly next week at Haydock.
    More than proved against her elders now, Spot on Euro.

    The presence of The Tin Man in 2nd still leaves a question mark over the form for me though.
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    Agreed. Although she could have been held onto longer.

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    See if they'll accept a bet on Muthaza for the Mares Novice at Cheltenham. They're offering 10/1 about a mare that died on August 25th.
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    It's interesting to juxtapose the Irish Champion/Juddmonte with the Eclipse/POW this season. The former races absolute light years ahead in terms of quality and competitiveness and I wonder if this will be a trend or just a one off, maybe the bigger guns are wating until the late Summer/Autumn to get together these days. I'm pondering this as I got my fingers burnt badly at York when I backed The Grey Gatsby ante-post at 10 and 12s thinking the race would cut up badly, especially after Time Test was pulled. The opposite happened, and similar comments apply to the ICS where I took 7s and 8s about Almanzor a bit ago. That position isn't looking too bad but looking forward I'll be holding off on these two races from an ante-post point of view, certainly next season at least. The counter argument would be that the soft ground at Ascot and Sandown hindered the quality/size of the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marble View Post
    Good thread this.
    Well said.

    It's enlightening to review it.

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    I've taken 4/1 Zhukova for the Fillies and Mares race on Champions Day at Ascot next month.

    She's being targeted at the race and should come on for yesterday's Leopardstown win, her first run for four months. Genuine, consistent and an uncomplicated ride, that price is perfectly reasonable if the ground is good on the day but it will look absolutely huge if it comes up soft.

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    Not sure what the form of yesterday's race amounts to -US Army Ranger and Bondi Beach were well looked after.

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    Surely Weld has to run Fas Rock in the Arc now, surely?

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    Weld is a hard man to read-would be surprised if Fascinating Rock didn't go to Ascot.

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    I wouldn't fancy him for the race but it would be the logical step now that Harzand's goose has been cooked.

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