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    Possibly a bit off topic, but I noticed Timeform have started doing timefigures over the jumps. I couldn't see much more than a cursory introductory article on their website, intimating that they will be using sectionals etc as well as overall times.

    Interested in any thoughts anyone has on here? I must admit I am pretty wary of jumps timefigures myself (although I can see the appeal of sectionals). More than happy to be proved wrong...

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    Interesting. I thought they gave up on NH timefigures a number of years ago because they were by and large proving meaningless. Wonder if they've tweaked their processes. (Sounds painful that.)

    I do much less in the way of speed figures over jumps but definitely at the festival meetings.

    The authorities have been more forthcoming with accurate measurements in the last couple of years but situations like last Sunday's when they were omitting obstacles all over the shop at Cheltenham make a nonsense of it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trackside528 View Post
    Possibly a bit off topic, but I noticed Timeform have started doing timefigures over the jumps. I couldn't see much more than a cursory introductory article on their website, intimating that they will be using sectionals etc as well as overall times.

    Interested in any thoughts anyone has on here? I must admit I am pretty wary of jumps timefigures myself (although I can see the appeal of sectionals). More than happy to be proved wrong...
    Be wary of any "sectionals'' that aren't furlong by furlong times. Timeform often use 3 or 4 furlong tranches to judge pace, which is laughable considering the number of possible pace changes within that distance; in NH racing. Still not forgiven them for the conclusion that Hurricane Fly 'outstayed' stayers in the 013 CH.
    Faugheen was mightily impressive lat Sunday, but has been accorded a 169 s/f apparently based on little science other than other race times that weekend.
    HRI did promise proper sectionals would be in place this season, but have yet to materialise.
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    Only sectionals that matter as far as I am concerned is from when the race starts in earnest ....from A to B is not as informative as B to C is IMO and don't give me that slow pace fast pace crap a good horse will adapt no matter the early pace and using time with bad horses is a no no anyway

    In other words if 2 horses run on the same ground and one takes 54 seconds from the 3rd last to cross the line at Carlisle and horse y takes 56 seconds then no matter the early pace I know all things being equal which one I will back if the clash again.

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    Update post racing at Newbury. Newcastle, Fairyhouse etc last weekend

    https://www.timeform.com/horse-racin...yhouse-4122017

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    Update post Sandown, Aintree, Punchestown and Cork

    https://www.timeform.com/horse-racin...eting-11122017

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    On The Blind Side (151p from 136p) May be ok from Timeform but has the handicapper got it in for Nicky Henderson or what

    Usually lower than TF He hit him with a 153 That just about puts him on a par with the likes of Champion Hurdle contender Melon and 10 lbs higher than Defi was after he had won 2 Grade 1;s

    Unfair prejudice ?
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    I think you're too precious about Henderson.

    OTBS has now won 2 Grade 2 hurdles with ease; giving 7lbs and a 3L beating to a 134 rated horse (ran green, won going away) in the first of those, and 5lbs and a 9L beating to a 137-rated novice (drew away, impressive) in the second.

    The rating might be a little on the high-side, but the suggestion that the handicapper has it in for Henderson alone, is obviously nonsense.
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