i'll say again..stop misquoting me so you can hand out a retribution.....i am getting seriously fed up with this.Originally Posted by clivex
i never said "affected".
read what i say..don't invent it.
terrible stuff..is constantly misquoting people to hand out put downs
Last edited by EC1; 19th November 2015 at 1:30 PM.
Ok fair enough but I disagree entirely. In fact many polls are clear on this point and as I said most voters are not taken in by immediate money in pocket
why are most backing austerity measures in the polls?
most voters don't need to "look deeply" to know what the effect of an anti business adminstration will be and how it will affect them.
do you think people in the street that have little in depth interest..know that Labour is anti business?
polls aren't going to tell you anything on this issue..they are going to ask so many people..only those interested will answer either way..you will get many saying..i'm not bothered about politics thanks..so whatever poll you set you will only be asking 1000 "interested" people.
polls only reflect the view if people respond to the question..my argument is that many will respond with..not interested
i know its very important to you Clive...speed figures are to me..but unfortunately people don't share our interests to the same degree. Apart from people who run their own business..most folk aren't that bothered imo...i can't prove that but i judge it on a number of observations throughout 50 years of living. The last place i worked had a wide spread of people..there were only 2 people i knew that ever talked about politics in the whole place..about 130 people. Strictly come dancing..IACGMOOH..but not politics. Strangely enough..probably similar % to the interest shown on this forum.
Maybe we need a poll where people are asked simply..are you interested in politics?
Last edited by EC1; 19th November 2015 at 1:46 PM.
away from this..Abbott on daily politics trying to defend livingstone
oh dear..you need to see the interview with her Clive..its a toss up who is worse for Labour..her or Corbyn
Last edited by EC1; 19th November 2015 at 2:00 PM.
Most polls will nearly always contain a "don't know" or "neither agree nor disagree" option. They'll also use Likert scales in an attempt to draw out the strength of feeling
Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly. _ Harry Limes
I thought Labour took a decision a few weeks ago to try and hide her (so far as that's possible). I think she's worse then Corbyn
Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly. _ Harry Limes
the answer is yes. It came out in the post election polls regarding ed as a big factor. God knows. He looks like donald trump compared with corbyndo you think people in the street that have little in depth interest..know that Labour is anti business?
polls aren't going to tell you anything on this issue..they are going to ask so many people..only those interested will answer either way..you will get many saying..i'm not bothered about politics thanks..so whatever poll you set you will only be asking 1000 "interested" people.
polls only reflect the view if people respond to the question..my argument is that many will respond with..not interested
i know its very important to you Clive...speed figures are to me
Maybe we need a poll where people are asked simply..are you interested in politics?
Omg
i am absolutely speechless. Agree with warbler on that one. but to have that person defend the horrendously indefensible in the media...
is this true?
who sanctioned that?
This is suicide
Last edited by clivex; 19th November 2015 at 2:55 PM.
Stick a link to it on here someone please. Cheers.
be on i player..about half way in to the showi think..daily politics bbc2 midday
Why anyone would think corbyn will be leader come election time is beyond me,he'll be out within next 2 years wouldn't even be surpriosed if he wenmt quicker after a few polls start showing labour getting further and further behind personally hope they lose a couple of by elections as soon as possible,Dan Jarvis is a certainty to be leader going into next election former paratropper fought in Afghanistan and Iraq he must be a million on with what's going on at the moment..
Some priceless off the record quotes from shadow cabinet ministers in the press this weekend. It would appear that the Syria vote could be the final call here. If he tries to whip it through then he will lose a good chunk of his team including Hilary Benn. Also I believe that he is under pressure to do so because his supporters and advisors in particular certainly do not believe in free votes.
the key quote is from one backbencher that states that they have to get rid as soon as possible otherwise the oarty is tainted for the foreseeable future. Voters will have a perception that won't be shifted
one last point is that the mantra that he is a pacifist needs to be ripped apart. You do not chose to support the ira Hamas and Hezbollah is you are a pacifist. It's total crap
It's an interesting one for Cameron too
Wars have a habit of starting well and going wrong later. You don't really want to run the risk of having an opposition who opposed an action coming back a few years later saying we told you so. Ideally you want them onside. The Tories did momentarily try this over Iraq and came crashing down in flames when they were hit be a series of attributable quotes from the period of the vote which suggested they were every bit, if not more rabid than Labour. By the same token though, Cameron really doesn't want Corbyn removing
Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly. _ Harry Limes
key quote?..Clive i said exactly the same a number of times pages back..weeks ago..one was
I can't see the day when Labour will see power..because the road they have taken now won't be an easy one to get off. They will have 4 years as a party looking like they are Corbynites to the electorate...well they all look like that now with the size of the mandate he got. When it goes to tits..they will then have to change to a more middle ground..basically saying it was wrong. Electorate will just think they change with the moon and look to the tories
i'm surprised to see someone within has took so long to quote it..its been obvious from day one that voter perception will be hard to change...i'd say even if he went now they would be struggling to shake the perception off before the next election.
i'll say now..i think he will stand down rather be removed...i think the strain is already showing..i'll say within the next 12 months he will stand down. Might be too late though for them to change perception before next election even if he did go in 12.
Yes but you are not an mp. Ec. You are a nobody
Entirely agree with last para.
Last edited by clivex; 23rd November 2015 at 7:41 PM.
I thought you were firmly in the party will split camp? Have you changed your view? or are you now predicting that Corbyn will stand down and that the party will split?
Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly. _ Harry Limes
How do I know what will happen? Thinsg change from week to week. Today's poll showing that labour members are even more behind their glorious leader whereas the public are deserting make it pretty clear that there is a huge problem
again Rachel sylvesters piece in the times is devastating. This is close to all out war in the party. You have the extraordinary unprecedented situation where the party and its MPs despise each other
i did think that terrorism and his clear absolving of the perpetrators would be the defining moment. The Venezuelan economics are yet to come
there has never been anything close to this is memory. This is a huge moment in british politics.
Good of example given of priorities. McDonnell is spending the day of the autumn statement addressing the far left wing group gradually taking over the mechanism of the party. He is supposed to be the shadow chancellor ffs. Isn't that as clear as anything we have seen that his grouping has no interest in opposition or power but is purely interested in ensuring that the party is firmly under the control of the extremists?
Last edited by clivex; 24th November 2015 at 10:17 AM.
Don't agree withl that the next election is lost for labour at all it all depends on corbyn getting botted out quick enough as I said above,a government nobody particularly likes just poor alternatives alternatives,labour haemmoraged votes to ukip they are easily won back by someone like dan Jarvis and the votes tories gain from the don't knows,he would pick up droves of votes plus his policies would be pretty centralist bar tax which should never be afraid to use if you're other policies are decent.
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