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    Only 10 lb ?
    JP should buy him for AP

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    Al Co looks a very fair price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    I think in the National nowadays you need a touch of class and having that is a major plus.

    It's like he's had a long apprenticeship and now he's the belated finished article.

    I think PN has always believed in the horse but because of that belief over faced him

    But now he's come good and is better than his rating suggests 11.3lbs ? he's now a better horse than that IMO

    He jumps, he's got class has a good racing weight and he stays plus there's a good engine in there.

    Can't see past him
    I thought you said Wyck Hill was the winner [?]....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankel View Post
    Al Co looks a very fair price.
    Agree, he's now on my shortlist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Geezer View Post
    Alvarado is now the current 40th horse to make the Grand National cut.
    Oh yes!
    Vote Alfie!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-G View Post
    Oh yes!
    Worked really well in a gallop before racing at Newbury yesterday

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    Amended 3 for me. Shutthefrontdoor, Alvarado, Al Co

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    Quote Originally Posted by moehat View Post
    I thought you said Wyck Hill was the winner [?]....
    Yeah once I thought Mill House would win the Chelteham Gold Cup until I saw Arkle

    Actually came on to say I think Many Clouds is an interesting addition to the field.

    Would need some cut but a few April showers he has the class to make his mark.
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    The 2015 Crabbies Grand National

    Does Many Clouds necessarily need cut in the ground if the race is over 4 and a half miles? Soft ground slows down other horses for him over 3 miles, but surely other horses - inferior ones - won't need to be slowed down for him to beat them over a longer distance. Assuming that Many Clouds has the stamina to last 4 and a half miles and the weight doesn't slow him down too much.


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    Hard to say Len as there really isn't enough evidence.

    He seemed to be travelling ok when he came down at Cheltenham not this season but last, though opinions on how well he was going are mixed.

    I know where you are coming from with the longer trip but unfortunately in the National they tend to go off very fast and drag the whole field with them

    If that creates a situation where everything is going a yard faster than they should, the horses that suffer most are those that can't act on the ground

    He has the class to overcome that initially and keep in touch but when the chips are down over the last 4 fences you better make sure you can act on the surface

    When betting it's a risk you either are willing to take or not.......Not a horse to back AP imo because if the ground is fast he's sure to drift because of the unknown factor.
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    I pretty much agree with Tanlic when he says how the National is usually run. That said surprisingly it's usually a horse that's prominent when they start of the second circuit that wins. It's not a race that an out and out hold up horse usually wins. Many Clouds likes to be prominent and most have him down as an out an out stayer, but there's something about him for me that makes me think he'll run out of petrol when one or two are still running on.

    All of that said about hold up horses, Paul Maloney seems to specialise in having a (Rucker) horse out with the washing staying out of trouble, only for it to run on for a place from an impossible position. I haven't checked, but I reckon you could have backed him blind for a place for the last six or seven years and made a tidy profit.
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    only one winner BALTHAZAR KING if he stands up he'll be in the shake up at the end....................
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    Hoping The Rainbow Hunter can have a little more luck this time around and stand up. He has a nice racing weight and if he can stay on his feet might just get competitive at a big price.

    Obviously Rocky Creek will still win though

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    Merry King OUT

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    Paul Moloney would be the ideal Aintree jockey for Lord Windemere surely.
    I hope Jim C agrees !

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    I think he's retained by the Rucker's so he'll ride Alvarado Ed. I'd agree though.

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    Been an awful lot of rain up here over the last few days. Metcheck shows more ran tomorrow then a few days of sunshine with no rain. The one good thing is the course drains really well so hopefully perfect ground.
    You should not confuse your career with your life.

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    Sam Winner misses the GN to go for the Scottish National

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    After Sean Bowen's recent performance and now qualifying for a ride there's a Nash story in the making so couldn't help backing Mon Parrain @ 40s

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