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    First season sires and other 2-y-o stuff 2014

    The turf flat season gets under way at the Curragh this afternoon and the first on the card is for two-year-olds.

    A first season sire, FAST COMPANY, is represented by Coto.

    Fast Company only raced as a 2-y-o and achieved a best RPR of 124 and an OR of 120.

    He won twice over seven furlongs but put up his best performance when second to New Approach in the Dewhurst; that was his third and last run and he was trained by Brian Meehan.

    I have done some work on a full list of the first season sires that I hope to post up later today.

    I have not been able to find any betting on this event so if some kind soul comes across any I would be grateful if they could post it here.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    prices up now colin

    http://www.racingpost.com/horses2/ca...3#raceTabs=sc_

    interesting race thats been dominated by bolger of late. gone for bwana ew

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    Thanks, dartsfan, but I meant betting on Top First Season Sire.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Phillips View Post
    Thanks, dartsfan, but I meant betting on Top First Season Sire.


    sorry col.

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    There's a few interesting ones this season - I'm intrigued to see how the Rips go, ours is big and raw currently while his Lord Shanakill work ate is a much earlier type. The Makfis we have are solid types and very mentally capable. Might be early ones. We've got a Paco Boy arriving also which will be an interesting one, they're seriously pushing him as an early site.
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    Good to see this back: thanks Colin. Certainly interested in seeing how Makfi turns out and, as Miesque says, a lot of breeders have put their money on Paco Boy.
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    I know he isn't a first season sire but am I correct in thinking that Yeats offspring were always touted as going to do better as 3yr olds rather than 2yr olds? they will be 3yr olds this season

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    Is there a site you can set a link/alert to tell you any runners by a certain stallion at all?
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    That would be nice but I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldaniti View Post
    I know he isn't a first season sire but am I correct in thinking that Yeats offspring were always touted as going to do better as 3yr olds rather than 2yr olds? they will be 3yr olds this season
    As a rule I think they'll need longer than that.
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    Below is a list of first season sires, thanks to http://www.b2yor.co.uk/

    The figures are the best RPR achieved, Official rating where given one, and the distances won over. The (2) after the distance shows where the horse never ran after its 2-y-o career.

    I am still unable to find any betting on this.

    ALEXANDROS………RPR 119……….OR 112…….DISTANCE..8-9 f.

    ALFRED NOBEL……..RPR 112………OR 109…………………...6-7 (2)

    APPROVE……………..RPR 112………OR 113…………………...5-6 (2)

    ARABIAN GLEAM…...RPR 119………OR 108…………………...6-7

    ARCANO………………RPR 116………OR 114…………………..6 (2)

    BLAME………………...RPR 131………OR (-)……………………9-10

    EQUIANO……………...RPR 123………OR 120…………………..5-6

    FAST COMPANY……...RPR 124……....OR 120 ………………….7 (2)

    GETAWAY………….....RPR 125………OR (-)……………………12-15

    HELLVELYN…………..RPR 117………OR 100…………………..5-6

    LE CADRE NOIR………RPR 110………OR 94…………………...5-6

    LOOKIN AT LUCKY…..RPR 129………OR (-)……………………9-10

    LOPE DE VEGA………..RPR 124………OR (-)……………………8-11

    LORD SHANAKILL……RPR 119………OR 114…………………..7-8

    MAKFI…………………..RPR 128………OR (-)……………………7-8

    MAWATHEEQ………….RPR 122………OR 121………………….10-12

    MULLIONMILEANHOUR RPR 114…….OR 107…………………..6

    PACO BOY……………...RPR 127……….OR 124…………………..7-8

    RIP VAN WINKLE……...RPR 132……….OR 126…………………..8-10

    SHOWCASING………….RPR 115……….OR 108……………………6

    STARSPANGLEDBANNER RPR 125……OR 109……………………6-8

    STIMULATION………… RPR118………..OR 115……………………7-10

    VALE OF YORK………...RPR 116……….OR 118……………………7-9 (2)

    ZEBEDEE………………...RPR 108……….OR 107……………………5-6 (2)
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    I think Equiano cud get plenty winners his year. Maybe with sum nice sharp/early types! Though maybe more Quantity than Quality!

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    I'm interested in seeing how Hellvelyn does. A decent 2yo by a decent sire of 2yos out of a winning 2yo by an excellent sire of 2yos. I'll be disappointed if he doesn't get some nice early types.

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    Alfred Nobel for me.
    A most gorgeous walker whose career went a bit tits up owing to poor ground and a draw on the wrong side in sales race. He did race at 3 but did not train on.

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    Leading first-season sire by number of winners

    RaceBets: 2 Rip Van Winkle, 3 Zebedee, 11-2 Paco Boy, 13-2 Equiano, 8 Makfi, 10 Arcano, 16 Fast Company, 20 Lope De Vega, 25 Lord Shanakill, 33 Approve, 33 Showcasing, 40 Vocalised, 66 Alfred Nobel, 66 Stimulation, 66 Vale Of York, 100 Siyouni, 200 Silver Frost, 250 Mawatheeq, 300 Hellvelyn

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    By prize-money

    RaceBets: 2 Zebedee, 3 Rip Van Winkle, 6 Paco Boy, 7 Equiano, 9 Makfi, 12 Arcano, 12 Fast Company, 20 Approve, 20 Lord Shanakill, 25 Showcasing, 25 Lope De Vega, 40 Alfred Nobel, 50 Stimulation, 50 Vale Of York, 50 Vocalised, 100 Siyouni, 150 Silver Frost, 200 Hellvelyn, 250 Mawatheeq

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    Thanks, dartsfan, just found those, saved me posting them.
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    Just to let you know .... That's the wrong way around, they mixed it up on the Racing Post, RVW is favourite by prize money, Zebedee is favourite by runners

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    Lord Shanakill interests me. How did his kids do in the sales?
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    47 sold of 58 offered for an average of £28,980. Top one made £135,000.
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    Thanks, Miesque. Did they look nice, in your opinion?

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