One Alone In A Seller Today [Archive]

krizon

8th July 2004, 12:03 AM

There are plenty of horses knocking about who cost thousands more, and are much better-bred, who haven't even managed a 4th, so while she had to go to 'G' level to get it, the four of us who attended today with Jean-Rene (Auvray) were thrilled to bits. She wore first-time blinkers and ran over her longest distance to date, on Polytrack and in the rain. She came back no more puffed than when she ran over a shorter distance, and is in probably the best condition since her very first race last year, but has grown on tremendously since then, and is now making a very nice shape.

I'm not making excuses for her, but in her very short racing career, she's been raced over a variety of surfaces and distances, been badly barged, misaligned her pelvis, been hived off to a livery yard where she lost condition dreadfully, been constantly growing (with resultant and inevitable changes in levels of energy), changed yards, and is just about now up to the levels of shape and fitness that most other 3 y.o. horses in training have been at since starting out.

I think the Auvray yard has done very well by her in a short space of time, ensuring she received appropriate physiotherapy and not giving up on her. So, while some members will be leaving the partnership, I look forward to seeing whether Jean-Rene has found the key to further potential. Personally, I view her as starting out NOW, since last year was hardly worth calling a yardstick. She will have got a much-needed confidence boost today, especially as the winner is a canny 7 y.o. old bugger who's always best out fresh, and knows his way round the block.

trudij

8th July 2004, 6:35 AM

Well they al have to improve sometimes - and you cant count runs where something happpens ( like your barging incident for example. ) I think she looked really nice, and I agree - somewhere there is a race for her. I dont count his lordship's first two races - he was baffled the first time, and wasnt much better the second ( mind you, they probably shouldnt have run at Ascot the third time, so thats 3 we could discount ! )

Talking of "somewhere there is a race" Po is entered for NA Monday - and just as I was swooning from the "only 2 need to come out for him to get his highest placing EVER :) " realisation when I suddenly noticed that Jinnyj has an entry in the same race! :unsure: how can I bump it off..... :ph34r: <_< ( not that Po will need all the help he can get..... ) so I have now told him that he has to defend my honour and come at least 10th. :lol: ( his reply was to rest his head on my shoulder and ask for his ears to be scratched, whilst telling me he'd think about it.... <_< ) but I am glad only 17 have been entered - I wanted a smallish field so he can a) definately get a run and B) Hes more used to going out in a small group, and now he turns better ( well anything is an improvement! ) it's not SO important that he gets covered up.

Pinkies crossed, and as long as he doesnt come last I'll be exctatic!! :lol:

Kathy

8th July 2004, 1:38 PM

If any of the One Alone syndicate want a photo of her at Windsor a couple of weeks ago (you can even see Terry in the distance in the parade ring) , please PM me, as I took some whilst I was there. She is a lovely looking filly, and I would certainly not be giving up on her! Good for you Jon, fly the flag for her, and don't worry if people think you are making excuses. Balmacara is still a maiden at 5yo, and yet we intend to have a lot of fun with her, and you can just imagine our reaction in the Winners enclosure if she wins! Owning horses is not all about winning!

Really thrilled for the 4 of you that went to cheer her on yesterday and who knows what may happen next time out. Same jockey, similar conditions, blinkers etc. I would not rule her out now, and put all her 2yo form down to experience and niggling injuries!

Best of Luck with her Jon & Co. , and best of luck Trudi with "Po" at Newton Abbott !

BrianH

8th July 2004, 1:54 PM

"Owning horses is not all about winning!" No, it's not, as a very high percentage of owners never have a winner but surely the sole purpose of investing in racehorses is because you intend to win races with them? Otherwise there's no point.

Kathy

8th July 2004, 4:16 PM

Well, that's somewhere else where our opinions differ Brian! I have already pointed out to all the syndicate members on Escorials site that when you have a horse in training for a season, there is absolutely no guarantee the horse will win, and if it does, it's a definite bonus. If people buy into the concept of racehorse ownership just for the horse to win, they may be very disappointed very quickly!

Obviously, the owners and trainers all "intend" the horse to win, but it's much easier to think a horse will try and the trainer will try, and if it doesn't happen, and the owners have been warned, the enjoyment of racehorse ownership/syndication can be in the participation of the ownership rather than the automatic assumption it may one day win a race and consequently there may well be a return on their investment.

Derek.Burgess

8th July 2004, 5:11 PM

Brian,
it is not easy to buy a winner.

I heard of a guy who picked the wrong one of two that he was offered.

:D

Diamond Geezer

8th July 2004, 5:12 PM

Trudi re Newton on Monday, I see Fitzy's down to ride jinny's horse. The one that interests me on Monday is the Richards horse in the 3.30, it's a bloody long way from Penrith to NA. Remember years ago now his dad had a horse in a two runner race on the opening day of the season over 3m and it was one of the best races I ever saw, both horses head to head over the whole race without taking it easy. Anyway I digress, I heard a word for it a few weeks ago, so maybe this is the opportunity they have been waiting for.

May be there, you leading yours up ?

trudij

8th July 2004, 7:49 PM

nope- we wont be there :unsure: - despite the super duper electronic entry system that is supposed to not let you enter if not eligible -we are not eligable. POO!!!!! Philip had a phone call today to say there had been a mistake - ( I was right ) - he has to go hurdling ( or chasing! ) now. BUGGER - we were hoping to sacrifice his "NH" status for another racecourse experience before we put hurdles in front of him. :(

SO - off to look at the card for Stratford the following weekend - and I shall book a cubicle in the ladies........ :(

P.S. bugger bugger bugger ****!!!! :cry:

Kathy

8th July 2004, 10:02 PM

What a shame Trudi. Racing has a way of building you up and then knocking you back. Keep us posted of "Po's" next entry.

BrianH

8th July 2004, 11:09 PM

"If people buy into the concept of racehorse ownership just for the horse to win, they may be very disappointed very quickly!" Of course, you don't have to tell me that. I've been in the game for rather a long while and I've got parts of six and a half of them to feed at the moment! But there can be no other objective. No-one in the world buys a horse without thinking that it will win.

Kathy

9th July 2004, 8:40 AM

I am not going to get into an argument with you about it Brian but I take it you would obviously be absolutely mortified if one of your six parts of racehorses failed to ever win a race. I assume that if you are in the One Alone syndicate, you were thinking about jumping ship at the first given opportunity given her past form? I may be wrong and you may be one of the four that are sticking with her of course - if in fact you were ever a syndicate member in the first place!

I now have a small share in JinnyJ's filly, Balmacara, and I am just looking forward to come great days out (and we have had two already enjoyed two), and if one day she is lucky enough to win a race, that will be a bonus, but it certainly is NOT my sole reason for joining. Let's agree to differ on this one Brian, afterall, you are probably still smarting from me thrashing you and the rest of the guys in the Final Furlong tipping competition this week. :P

BrianH

9th July 2004, 10:35 AM

I have been a a part owner of One Alone for almost two years. Two years was the scheduled life of the partnership - because it's a partnership, not a syndicate, you'll be aware of the difference. When on a cruise and the liner returns to Southampton at the end of the holiday and I disembark, is that referred to as "jumping ship"?

Kathy, me old love, I think that I've been in this racehorse owning game a bit longer than most on here and I have owned, or part owned, a few stinkers. But at the time that I got into them, you may be surprised to hear, I wasn't aware that they were useless. As for being mortified, I don't experience any emotion at all if they fail to win a race, because, as I mentioned before, very many horses don't ever win and I'm one for calculating the possibilities.

But let's get back to what I asked - are you seriously asking us to believe that there is anyone anywhere who buys a horse, or part of a horse, or joins a racing club and does not expect the horse that they have just bought, or bought a part of, to win? Because whether or not that is what you mean to say, that is what you are saying.

If, however, you know someone who is willing to buy horses that are destined never to win a race in their lives, then there are at least a couple of gentlemen in Ireland to whom I could introduce them...

Kathy

9th July 2004, 11:29 AM

Winning for some of us is just a bonus Brian - or perhaps it's just me that thinks like that. There is a real social side to racehorse ownership, and that's one of the parts I really enjoy. I am really sorry you have been involved in some stinkers in your time as it must play havoc with ones street cred! :D

Luckily, I have been associated with no stinkers in my 9 years in racehorse ownership as all my horses have smelt like roses!

Derek.Burgess

9th July 2004, 11:39 AM

I am happy to say that my earnings from horse racing preclude me from ownership.

Free Golf and Golf equipment has made me quite happy and satisfied with my lot.

Good luck to anyone who has enough money and the will to go through the personal turmoil required for Horse Ownership.

BrianH

9th July 2004, 12:00 PM

Dear Kathy,
Thank you for pointing out to me that there is a social side to horseracing.
Now I understand why I have been embedded in that box at Ascot for all these years.
All my love,
Brian

BrianH

9th July 2004, 12:02 PM

Dear Kathy,
Thank you for pointing out to me that there is a social side to horseracing.
Now I understand why I have been embedded in that box at Ascot for all these years and have woken up with a hangover in about eight diferent countries after a day's racing..
All my love,
Brian

BrianH

9th July 2004, 12:03 PM

Dear Kathy,
Thank you for pointing out to me that there is a social side to horseracing.
Now I understand why I have been embedded in that box at Ascot for all these years.
All my love,
Brian

Derek.Burgess

9th July 2004, 12:15 PM

Brian.
Do the Ascot boxes have chemical toilets,or do you have to stand with the lemmings? :D

krizon

9th July 2004, 12:33 PM

Derek - probably the canniest of us at the moment for amassing lots of lovely freebies to keep his interests going! :D

I don't think there's much point in trying to score points for how long one's been in various forms of horse ownership or not. Face it, Brian, you're SOOOOOOO much older than Kathy that she'd have had to have owned her first when she was 5!

I think there are enough reasons, or lack of Reason with a capital 'R', to own any animal, but especially one bought to compete for potential gain. Probably enough to form an extensive thesis for any Sociology student!

Brian's use of the word 'objective' is very telling - it's businesslike. It doesn't smack of 'hope', 'wish' or other less goal-oriented ambitions. I imagine that's how he tackles everything in his life - he has to have a goal and it has to be reached, or the issue at hand is dismissed (probably like any less than profit-oriented project in his previous life, directing finances!). I reckon Brian has not let retirement from full-time work get in the way of continuing to set not only goals for himself, but for his interests, too.

I've never 'enjoyed' competition - I rode in loads of gymkhanas and shows because it was expected that you'd want to show off the work you'd achieved with your horse. Sometimes we won, quite often we placed, and quite often my nerves at being on public display ruined everything and it ended in tears. The part in this where I actually felt satisfaction was bringing the horses to the best they could be (given that I was only an average handler), once I'd found what they were best at, and enjoyed the most.

Neither I or the other partners have the hands-on work with ONE ALONE that I put in with my solely-owned horses. That's the trainer's, the groom's, and the jockey's work. Therefore I'm down to just looking at the results of THEIR work, rather than mine. I've been interested seeing 'Ellie' (her stable name) progress through early setbacks to where her current trainer is still finding out what's best for her optimum performance. It may be that her optimum performance will be a 4th in a Lingfield Seller - I, personally, don't actually care! I used to get as much pleasure from doing an effective bit of schooling as from winning a little silver cup. I don't have any goal to be fulfilled through her - my perspective is that I am enjoying seeing what happens from yearling to maturing horse.

And so, gentle reader, we all buy a bit of a nag for different reasons. I don't place a win as my objective, even though the animal's raison d'etre is competition. A good effort springing from good input is equally rewarding - for me!

Kathy

9th July 2004, 1:13 PM

Now why couldn't I do a response to Brian like that Jon? Education (or lack of it my case) has a lot to answer for! :D

BrianH

9th July 2004, 1:13 PM

Chacun à son goût

Derek.Burgess

9th July 2004, 1:26 PM

Ich lade gern mir Gäste ein.
Man lebt bei mir recht fein.
Man unterhält sich wie man mag.
Oft bis zum hellen Tag!
Zwar langweil' ich mich stets dabei,
was man auch treibt und spricht.
Indes, was mir als Wirt steht frei,
duld' ich bei Gästen nicht!
Und seh' ich, es ennuyiert
sich jemand hier bei mir,
so pack' ich ihn ganz ungeniert,
werf' ihn hinaus zur Tür.
So pack' ich ihn ganz ungeniert,
werf' ihn hinaus zur Tür.
Und fragen Sie, ich bitte,
warum ich das denn tu'?
'S ist mal bei mir so Sitte,
Chacun à son goût!

Wenn ich mit andern sitz' beim Wein
und Flasch' um Flasche leer',
muss jeder mit mir durstig sein,
sonst werde grob ich sehr!
Und schenke Glas um Glas ich ein,
duld' ich nicht Widerspruch.
Nicht leiden kann ich's, wenn sie schrei'n
ich will nicht, hab' genug!
Wer mir beim Trinken nicht pariert,
sich zieret wie ein Tropf,
dem werfe ich ganz ungeniert
die Flasche an der Kopf.
Dem werfe ich ganz ungeniert
die Flasche an der Kopf.
Und fragen Sie, ich bitte.
Warum ich das denn tu'?
'S ist mal bei mir so Sitte,
Chacun à son goût!

BrianH

9th July 2004, 3:45 PM

Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen

Wassermusik

9th July 2004, 5:19 PM

Ah, ist das jetzt ein deutsches Forum? Keine langes Nachdenken und keine Wörterbücher mehr, wie praktisch!

Colin Phillips

9th July 2004, 5:31 PM

Is there a translation function on here?

Colin

PDJ

9th July 2004, 6:02 PM

Nein, wir haben keine solche Funktion hier.

Colin Phillips

9th July 2004, 6:10 PM

That's a pity.

Colin

BrianH

9th July 2004, 6:28 PM

Mine was a quotation from Marx (Karl, not Groucho):

"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

PDJ

9th July 2004, 6:57 PM

Mine was a response to the question.

trudij

9th July 2004, 10:50 PM

well just to add fuel to the fire ( sorry!! ) I dont expect Po to win, but I have never made a secret of the fact that he HAS to contribute for me to be able to afford him to stay in training. To try and achieve this, he will run mostly on Sundays ( for appearance money) and we will try to place him in races ( and on harder ground if we have to - I am lucky that he enjoys firm going ) whith only a few runners, to try and pick up place money. 3rd place and a day at the races, to me is better than him standing in his field ( or box) waiting for the special race that may never come. He will never be a world beater, but will always be at the races to try his best, and if sponsers are still willing to pay down to 6th place in some races, we will be there too, trying for at least 6th place and giving me a day out at the same time.As long as he is safe and doesnt hurt himself, i dont mind. Theres a horse in the yard that won over £12,000 last season and only won twice at smaller tracks - the rest he picked up in big races with few runners because the owners enjoy going racing and are happy to turn up, run to the best of his ability, and collect the lower place money because his best efforts are still nowhere near good enough to trouble the favourites. ( and you never know - horses dont finish for all sorts o reasons.... )
Everyone in the yard loves racing for the horses and the competition, and none of us are too proud to take whatever is on offer - the horses safety is always paramount, and while sponsors are paying appearance money and low place money - it would be rude to turn it down..... :)

krizon

10th July 2004, 12:20 AM

Kathy - about the edukayshun bit - didn't stay beyond 16, when my last skool report recommended that 'if he cannot do better next term, we suggest he finds himself a job'. :D

Haben sie ein Wiener schnitzel mit sauerkraut, mein Herr? (In the spirit of the multilingualism being demonstrated.)

Kathy

10th July 2004, 9:57 AM

Nice one Trudi! I agree with everything you say in your response!

:D @ Krizon

BrianH

10th July 2004, 10:18 AM

Well, while it appears that trudij doesn't expect her horse to win she says that it's essential that he gets placed, otherwise she can't stay in the game. So again, it pinpoints the fact that this is a competitive sport. Which is what my underlying message is, after all.

Whatever is said on here, I repeat that no-one will outlay a capital sum that could be as little as a few thousand or as much as you care to name, then some £15k a year without expecting that they will get something back.

trudij

10th July 2004, 10:31 AM

I wouldnt say expect Brian - but definately HOPE to get something back - and raise enough money to continue with the horses in training. we've got a record of getting about 50 - 60% of the money back at the end of the year ( injurys permitting of course ) so whilst I acn safely not EXPECT to see a profit on him, I can at least strongly hope that it will not cost me as much as I lay out. ( dont think that makes much sense except to me!! ....... ) which is the only way I can afford to have a racehorse. ( however loosely he comes under the title!! )

BrianH

10th July 2004, 11:55 AM

And I'm sure that everyone on here joins me in wishing you and Po the very best of luck for the coming season.

Kathy

10th July 2004, 1:38 PM

I think we have got the message across :P

krizon

10th July 2004, 8:47 PM

Brian, sorry, but while my outlay is tiny, I don't EXPECT a return. I HOPE to get something back, but it's way too variable a game with injuries, illnesses, dozy jocks, crappy going, and more reasons for not framing than the Bank of England has coins, to ever EXPECT to! When I lend money to friends I EXPECT to get it back, but at the moment, my strike rate on both outlays is about the same! :confused:

BrianH

11th July 2004, 12:47 AM

Er, could you see your way clear to....

krizon

11th July 2004, 1:34 AM

:D :D

an capall

11th July 2004, 11:07 AM

I am for my sins currently slightly involved in the lives of three slow beasts, two of which have won, and two of which I have never clapped eyes on.

Let me be unequivocal. The only reason I invested my hard earned was as a financial proposition. The money I invested was just substituted from share portfolios, because I took a view that the risk was worth it, and my expectation was that it may outperform the Nasdaq. This has been proved incorrect, and it was a bad financial decision.

Anybody who buys into a horse and claims that part of them doesn't expect it to win is either a spoofer or a gobshite sentamentalist.

Dave G

11th July 2004, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by an capall@Jul 11 2004, 11:07 AM
I am for my sins currently slightly involved in the lives of three slow beasts, two of which have won, and two of which I have never clapped eyes on.

I think you need to get your calculator out there An... :D

tetley

11th July 2004, 11:35 AM

Probably just a differnce of words but anyone with a modicum of common sense tells you they dont EXPECT to win but that doesnt stop them HOPING to.

BrianH

11th July 2004, 2:35 PM

How about forming a forum partnership for a horse to be trained by Geoff Huffer at the yard owned by Terry Ramsden...?

BrianH

11th July 2004, 2:38 PM

"I think you need to get your calculator out there An..." No, Dave, call them A, B & C. A and C have both won races and he has never yet seen B & C, possibly because they are in a country other than the one in which he resides.

Kathy

11th July 2004, 9:44 PM

Is it a coincidence that some men (who constantly try to give the impression they have a high IQ) buy into horses for a possible financial gain, and women don't appear to. Who are the realists ?

Anyone who thinks a horses winning's will out perform the Nasdaq and equally (and if not more worrying) anyone who buys into a horse who they have never clapped eyes on.. is definitely a few sarnies short of a picnic!

PS I think, if I have to make a choice from An's two selections I would be a gobshite sentamentalist, and it wouldn't be the first time An had called me one of those.... the gobsite bit anyway.

an capall

11th July 2004, 9:49 PM

The Nasdaq went from about 5000 to 1500 in a year. Expectations to outperform that were rational.

I have never clapped eyes on Bill Gates but bought lots of Microsoft at about $10.70. It was an unsentimental decision.

Pass the salt.

tetley

11th July 2004, 10:55 PM

an on what basis did you choose your three horses.
please tell me they have been more fun than following NASDAQ. :brows:

krizon

12th July 2004, 12:06 AM

An, allow this gobshite spoofer (ah, the lyricism of the Irish!) to tell you where you're going horribly wrong: you say you've invested in 'three slow beasts', two of whom have won, and two you've never clapped eyes on? Now, sweetie, I'm mathematically challenged, for sure, but even I can see that you're being done over rotten there!

Songsheet

12th July 2004, 6:37 AM

For once, my math is up to average... Brian's quite right and An hasn't lost it completely.... yet.

Sorry Kathy, but while I am extremely fond of the males of our species, I don't consider myself to be one..... I sure as hell hope any horse I'm paying to live a life of luxury is going to win and I have to admit to taking exception to your comments about some in the ONE ALONE partnership 'jumping ship'. If the career of the animal you're in changes direction quite dramatically, it is a sensible time to re-evaluate the partnership structure and those who want to leave are quite entitled to do so. Two of us were supporting the partnership quite considerably.

What does surprise me is that with your views on racing horses being more of a social exercise, how are you going to reconcile that outlook with starting up a breeding operation?

Of course, if you're loaded and going to enter the ranks of owner-breeders, then whatever you produce, it won't matter whether they win or not but if you're going to sell foals and/or yearlings at the Sales, I would suggest that you're going to want whatever you breed to win for sure! Whether owned by you or by others. And, in fact, if breeding responsible, if the mare herself hasn't won and produces offspring that haven't won, what is she doing adding to the over-production in this industry anyway?

Derek.Burgess

12th July 2004, 8:01 AM

Can't think of many who make a living out of Ownership alone.

Kathy

12th July 2004, 9:31 AM

What a team, An Capall, Brian Hartigan and now Songsheet jumps in to their defence!

You Songsheet, own and breed horses for whatever reasons you like and I will do the same. Your petty digs are getting increasingly childish.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and those of you that think you are so much better than anyone else with your years of experience in ownership or breeding is getting increasingly boring! You just don't like the thought of anyone else getting involved? Why?

I currently own horses for a hobby and for the reasons stated, I will breed horses (maybe) one day, as a part hobby, and I will do what I god damn like and not be preached to by those of you that look down on so many on here. My brother is pinkhooking for a hobby and made about £16,000 in his first attempt and is in the process of doing it again. Must be better than investing his £2000 in the Nasdaq surely :)

As for my comments about One Alone, I am not sure why you took exception? I have been very positive about her on here. Brian says the partnership has ended so he's leaving. I am personally thrilled some of you have stuck with her. How was I to know the partnership was at an end, but perhaps I had an inkling that Brian would only want to be associated with a certain type of horse, and perhaps one that didn't run on the allweather. Just an assumption that was all! As for An's comments, a large pinch of salt is always taken, and I can be as "tongue in cheek" with my comments as he can!

Songsheet

12th July 2004, 10:20 AM

I assume that if you are in the One Alone syndicate, you were thinking about jumping ship at the first given opportunity given her past form? I may be wrong and you may be one of the four that are sticking with her of course - if in fact you were ever a syndicate member in the first place!

For a start Kathy, the above is plainly offensive - it doesn't need an explanation from me as to why - I think most on here are capable of working that one out.

I am personally thrilled some of you have stuck with her. How was I to know the partnership was at an end, but perhaps I had an inkling that Brian would only want to be associated with a certain type of horse, and perhaps one that didn't run on the allweather. Just an assumption that was all!

For someone claiming ignorance as the partnership, you're obviously quite well-informed but quite why you have to broadcast on here something said to you in private is beyond me, other than with the prime aim of causing trouble..... you really do have a masterly talent for drip-feeding quite poisonous comments under a fluffy-bunny poor little me veneer.

As to the rest of your vitriol in your last posting - you do yourself a disservice, not me. I cannot for the life of me understand why you have to get so personal - no one has said you can't hold your own opinions - what has happened is that we don't agree with you and, of course, that simply enrages you!

Using terms such as 'jumping to their defence', 'so much better than anyone else' 'I will do what I damn well like' - smack of the playground to me, Kathy.

I couldn't care less whether you have stable full of no-hopers or top-class winners or whether you start up a bloodstock stud or not - get on! Enjoy! You'll obviously have expert advice from your brother which will be invaluable, so no worries there!

Just accept that there are others out here who don't hold to your views and that doesn't make us better or worse people - just different. However, at least we're able to accept this, unlike you, obviously!

As for being on a level with An's quality of postings, Kathy - in your dreams!

Kathy

12th July 2004, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by krizon@Jul 7 2004, 11:03 PM

So, while some members will be leaving the partnership, I look forward to seeing whether Jean-Rene has found the key to further potential.
Dear oh dear Julie. Which bit are your trying to have a go at me about now? This is coming quite a hobby of yours isn't it.

Lets get some facts straight.

I didn't know Brian was in the One Alone partnership, I simply guessed he was. I know Brian doesn't like the allweather which is well documented on this forum and I had a feeling that he would not want to be associated with a horse like One Alone with her past results. Pure guesswork. Brian's comment about being knocked down in the rush to claim her I thought was a little cruel.... didn't you? Jon also said some people were leaving One Alones syndicate. What exactly has been said to me in private that I have mentioned on here, or is someone reading my private PM's perhaps?

I would read what you have put very carefully, and let me know exactly what confidences I have betrayed. Go on tell me....

Stop acting like a child and grow up for goodness sake. I have been saying what a lovely horse One Alone is and offered people photos of her which I have organised to send by those who requested them. You really need to take stock Songsheet, as you are probably coming across to some as an embittered woman who doesn't like the fact other people have an interest in racehorses and breeding and has an opinion on things, including a horse you bred and of whom I have been very supportive... I thought.

Believe me An Capall can fight his own battles without your help! :D

Galileo

12th July 2004, 11:09 AM

I dont believe Moderators have the ability to read PMs. Even Colin cant.

Kathy

12th July 2004, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Songsheet@Jul 12 2004, 09:20 AM

For a start Kathy, the above is plainly offensive - it doesn't need an explanation from me as to why - I think most on here are capable of working that one out.

For someone claiming ignorance as the partnership, you're obviously quite well-informed but quite why you have to broadcast on here something said to you in private is beyond me, other than with the prime aim of causing trouble..... you really do have a masterly talent for drip-feeding quite poisonous comments under a fluffy-bunny poor little me veneer.

A bit scarey Aidan, as I would NEVER intentionally discuss on this forum what someone has told me in private. I am sure Songsheet will come back and explain exactly what she means by this comment. I have re read what I said to Brian, and it was all pure guesswork based on what I have learned about him on this forum. I would have been extremely apologetic to him, had I been wrong. Thats just the "fluffy bunny" sort of person I am. (evidently) :D

Just for your information Aidan, Craig on TRF has (or had) the ability to read private PM's as has Escorial on his forum. That is not to say they do ever read them but I think you will find the function is there. Knowing Colin on this forum, I am sure he doesn't but I think you will find that there is the function to read them if the owners of the various sites wanted or needed to. I am sure Colin will correct me if I am wrong.

Kathy

12th July 2004, 11:29 AM

Aidan, it's more likely that this "Fluffy Bunny" has overstepped the mark at some stage, and the pack of hounds have been sent in to try and drive me away!
This "fluffy bunny" is staying put though until she is banned. :)

Evidently I have a "masterly talent for drip-feeding quite poisonous comments under a fluffy-bunny poor little me veneer". A classic comment I can't wait to show to my (few) friends. :confused:

I am also bloody good tipster at times too, but that side of my personality seems to have been completely overlooked in this latest character assasination! :cry:

Galileo

12th July 2004, 11:46 AM

Colin has previously told me, he is actually incapable of accessing people's PMs. It would be like him trying to access our email accounts.

Kathy

12th July 2004, 1:21 PM

I have been led to believe the facility is available Aidan. In fact when I was suspicous my PM's were being read on TRF, Craig never denied that he had the facility to read them if (and I stress IF) he ever needed to. I am sure if anyone else runs a forum such as these, they would know if PM's were accessible, which I have been told in the past that they are. That's obviously not to say people use the facility.

Gettting back to the reason for my initial comment, I would like to know why I am being accused of discussing something on this forum that has been told to me "in private". I would hate to think people who PM me think I then discuss their comments openly on this forum. I would therefore be very interested to know exactly what and who Songsheet is referring to. I hope she will come back and enlighten me at some stage as it is not an accusation I am overly happy with.

I don't mind being called a "gobshite", I don't even mind being called "offensive" and "poisonous" but to make out I am betraying someones trust needs to be backed up with hard facts so I can either defend myself or apologise profusely to the person whose trust I have obviously (according to Songsheet) betrayed.

Galileo

12th July 2004, 1:35 PM

All I am commenting on is the PM function of this forum. I am sure security varys from forum to forum. If Col says no one can access them thats good enough for me. I will let ye sort out the other issues yourselves.

Kathy

12th July 2004, 1:44 PM

Thanks Aidan. I would hate people to think that this "fluffy bunny" is also some sort of "grass". My reputation is at stake here!

I think perhaps some of the hierarchy on the forum, just wanted to increase the viewing numbers, and going into a personal battle with me always seems to be a sure-fire crowd puller! B)

Galileo

12th July 2004, 1:53 PM

Personally it depressed me to see this again. It has been said to others, so I dont see why ye cant PM each other and sort it out or just ignore it. Please dont answer this.....aint looking to get involved.

an capall

12th July 2004, 2:29 PM

Kathy - I have no information that you are in anyway a grass, and if you read my mail you will see that the word 'gobshite' is not used either as a noun, or in connection with you. So don't be too ready to be offended.

Songsheet

12th July 2004, 2:59 PM

Last word on the subject.

Kathy - unless it is an unbelievable coincidence, you were the one who mentioned how many were intending to stay in the partnership and made the comment about the rest 'jumping ship'. Which is not public knowledge on this forum, so was obviously conveyed to you privately.

I have no idea whether Col can read your PMs but I certainly can't and even if I could - don't have the time and certainly not the inclination.

There's nothing I can add to your reputation on here, Kathy.

As to 'driving you away' - no one has asked you leave, banned you, edited/deleted your postings or locked them (as far as I can remember!) so unless you're hearing voices.......

Kathy

12th July 2004, 4:12 PM

Originally posted by Songsheet@Jul 12 2004, 01:59 PM
Last word on the subject.

Kathy - unless it is an unbelievable coincidence, you were the one who mentioned how many were intending to stay in the partnership and made the comment about the rest 'jumping ship'. Which is not public knowledge on this forum, so was obviously conveyed to you privately.

I have no idea whether Col can read your PMs but I certainly can't and even if I could - don't have the time and certainly not the inclination.

"Kathy - unless it is an unbelievable coincidence, you were the one who mentioned how many were intending to stay in the partnership and made the comment about the rest 'jumping ship'."

I mentioned Brian jumping ship no one else. I think I would get a new pair of bins if I were you. Go and re read the thread. Surely, you should know by now you should never attack anyone without getting your facts straight or you end up looking really stupid.

How did I know how many have stayed because Jon put in her response that 4 people went to see One Alone when she last ran in the Seller. Not exactly rocket science is it? I mentioned 4 people because Jon mentioned 4 people. Which bit of that do you not understand. You think someone PM'd me to tell me that?

How pathetic do you now look? I would appreciate an apology of accusing me of something I clearly did not do. Just try and get your facts right before making out I am betraying someones confidence and I would still like to know how you know I had a PM about the partnership?

An Capall, I really don't mind you calling me a "gobshite", I even got you reinstated on TRF (if you recall)when you called it me on there a couple of years ago and Craig promptly banned you. I actually like you, you are funny and you mean no ill. Songsheet is just plainly an out and out trouble maker who acts like some sort of cliquey Cyber Nanny and periodically acts like a green eyed monster when ever a subject arises where she feels somehow superior. Absolutely pathetic.

"Last word on the subject".
The only reason Songsheet says this is her last word on this subject as she knows I have caught her out as her accusation is completely unfounded but the scarey thing is there was a PM - and how did she know? Dig your way out of that one!

an capall

12th July 2004, 4:21 PM

But I didn't call you a gobshite Kathy. And I can't imagine the problems you seem to be having with your PMs.

BrianH

12th July 2004, 4:25 PM

Is there only on "n" in paranoia?

an capall

12th July 2004, 4:29 PM

Yes. And 1 E in 'one'.

Kathy

12th July 2004, 4:46 PM

Maybe you didn't An, but I would like to think your views about me haven't changed from all of those years ago. :nerd:

Songsheet

12th July 2004, 4:47 PM

I assume that if you are in the One Alone syndicate, you were thinking about jumping ship at the first given opportunity given her past form? I may be wrong [B]and you may be one of the four that are sticking with her of course - if in fact you were ever a syndicate member in the first place!

No Kathy, you clearly don't read or recall what you write

You clearly state above 'one of the four sticking with her' and claim that's because you saw four of her owners at Lingfield. Utter rubbish and a clear case of back-tracking. At no time have I said PM - that's you jumping to conclusions again - I said 'in private' - which bit of the above don't you understand? I now know how the information was passed to you - in all innocence and they assumed it was just a general, private conversation (not with Jon)as would be the case with most normal people and not for broadcasting on a public forum.

And, while I know this is way beyond your comprehension, why on God's Earth you think I would be jealous of you is beyond belief... my original comments weren't personal - just taking a different view to yours - the only person shown up on here today is you.

Kathy

12th July 2004, 5:23 PM

Songsheet - I would check and see if the opticians are open late today? I have never been to Lingfield to watch One Alone. Where have you got that from?
I saw One Alone at Windsor (ask Terry as I spoke to him) and took photos for the syndicate. Dear oh Dear! Krizon mentioned ON THIS FORUM that 4 people went to Lingfield not me. Try reading a little slower, or get someone to read it out to you if you are really struggling.

I would stop digging if I were you and make a call to Specsavers! Go back and read what has been written, as that hole is almost halfway to Oz!

"I now know how the information was passed to you " (Songsheet says pretending she has got new information and not wanting to look as if she has been reading PM's) and so do I, it was on this bloody forum for everyone to see! GO AND READ IT!!! Go on, tell me how it was passed on to me - I'm all ears.

If you are still struggling, I will go and highlight all the conversations on this forum on this subject and show you where the info was taken from if you really cannot cobble together a better excuse than a pretend conversation you now think I have had to take away the real issue of why you accused me of revealing something on here that was told me in private.

You really are something else! :confused:

tetley

12th July 2004, 6:00 PM

Priceless

Derek.Burgess

12th July 2004, 6:20 PM

I think that a few of you have not found the correct social level at which you can interact,in a productive manner. :D

BrianH

12th July 2004, 6:47 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Songsheet

12th July 2004, 7:12 PM

Whatever, Kathy - you're absolutely right - I should have written Windsor not Lingfield.

However, I fail to see what difference it makes as to where the conversation took place but I am sure you do.

And this is my last posting on the subject, which you may take as victory Kathy, as these things seem to take on a huge amount of importance to you!

Have fun with your mare, win lose or draw !

SteveM

12th July 2004, 7:39 PM

...and they say life isn't long enough. After looking through this I'm left with the deep and abiding impression that I've lived too long.

Kathy

12th July 2004, 7:58 PM

Songsheet,the fact you will not give me details of what was said to whom just reconfirms what I initially thought about you. Everything I have said on this particular thread is based on my personal opinions and what people have said on this thread. No more and no less.

I am assuming that having read the thread again you can obviously see where I got the info from, and I am still disappointed you have not apologised and choose instead to make up ficticious content of conversations I am meant to have had and that you have conveniently found out about. I would NEVER divulge anything anyone told me in private on this or any other forum, and you saying I would is quite offensive. I have said I don't mind you repeating the content of whatever conversation you said I have had but I think we both know the real truth.

As a moderator I feel you should certainly know better and perhaps set an example rather than to make sweeping accusations against other forum members that you then cannot or will not then substantiate.

One thing I will mention about a PM, is the fact I actually PM'd you about One Alone to wish you luck and to see if you wanted to meet up for a drink at Windsor, and you declined as you were unable to go. Perhaps that's what you meant by my "Fluffy Bunny Veneer". Don't worry it is now not an offer I will ever repeat! :angry: